Fishy 4th Gear July 7, 2009 Share July 7, 2009 i know of people who fail OCS due to attitude problem. they usually term it as integrity problem. as to the que whether those officers posted to MTO or QM are the not so good, from what i know, now OCS cadets can be posted to this JLOG course during pro-term. this is the logistics course where they train to be QM and MTO. during my time, no such JLOC course so all are trained as infantry. i would think those posted to BMT as instructors are the most lousy because they only know how to tekan n bully recruits. real officers deal with men! and storemen and drivers and cooks during my time are the worst people to deal with, always awol or fight. so those QM or MTO are IMHO, better officers when it comes to managing people ! cheers from a DYS4 ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkingidiot 1st Gear July 8, 2009 Share July 8, 2009 a couple of my best mates in NS was the Bn DYS4 and QM ...man, these guys were super resourceful.... during bn exercise on some hot and ulu mountain top in Heng Chun... just need to seek these 2 out, and can get cold drinks and snacks to freshen up... even cold towels... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrianli Hypersonic July 8, 2009 Share July 8, 2009 I failed every test in BMT but still pass out of BMT. I failed my range, IPPT, SOC, etc......... Then went to Basic Seamanship two weeks course, I was attn C for one week and only attend the course for the following week. They still pass me. Two mths b4 I ORD, my OC forced me to go and take Squadron Level test. I am the only one who failed miserably and I fark care. He kena fark cos of my low score but he got no chance to fark me cos I was away on ORD leave. BTW my score was 35 out of 100. Oh ya, I still manage to ORD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galantspeedz Turbocharged July 8, 2009 Share July 8, 2009 On 7/8/2009 at 1:20 AM, Adrianli said: I failed every test in BMT but still pass out of BMT. I failed my range, IPPT, SOC, etc......... Then went to Basic Seamanship two weeks course, I was attn C for one week and only attend the course for the following week. They still pass me. Two mths b4 I ORD, my OC forced me to go and take Squadron Level test. I am the only one who failed miserably and I fark care. He kena fark cos of my low score but he got no chance to fark me cos I was away on ORD leave. BTW my score was 35 out of 100. Oh ya, I still manage to ORD. And you are proud of it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrianli Hypersonic July 8, 2009 Share July 8, 2009 On 7/8/2009 at 1:28 AM, Galantspeedz said: And you are proud of it? Just relating my experience in SAF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostalgia 4th Gear July 8, 2009 Share July 8, 2009 On 7/7/2009 at 3:41 PM, Sg2303 said: My coursemate in OCS failed the course and was informed days before the commencement of the rehearsals. Reason: Failed mission assessment twice. Deemed to lack leadership quality. So he became 3SG with IPPT gold, marksmen and JCC badge. Contrary to popular belief, OCS instructors are not there to try to fail cadets via a 'trial by fire'. If a decision is made to fail a candidate, there should be checks-and-balances, e.g. assessment of the candidate by another instructor or the PC to ensure that personality issues did not influence the outcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolicense Turbocharged July 8, 2009 Share July 8, 2009 There are plenty of this type of cases. Every batch will have this type of case. I didn't expect my platoon to have also. What I don't understand is up to the very last possible minute then they reveal the news. They don't really hint to you that you are going to fail because they can't come out and say it. But they did warn the guy time and again. The whole platoon try their best to help him during mission. Some how the instructor come down on him hard every time. Even the very last mission he was appointed excercise PC. But There was no immediate result until the last minute. Service term also got one case exactly like that in another platoon. During course review then reveal the news. All happy mood become sad mood. Not sure how the grading works so no comments on that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vroomtattat 2nd Gear July 8, 2009 Share July 8, 2009 Incompetence of SAF? The whole setup is crap . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrispie 5th Gear July 8, 2009 Share July 8, 2009 I was an OCS instructor after i passed out, and i can only comment that each and every cadet is given equal chance. Everyone will get to be admin appointment holder (CPC or CPS) and field appintment holder. Each will get 2 missions, one as mission PC and one as mission PS. And we assess their performance based on what is required on that particular mission, and how well they carried out their role as PS or PC. I must say some of the cadets are really blur.. They can forget key stores to bring out, failed to do the pre mission inspection properly, holland like crazy during topo and dont even know where to deploy the fire base etc. But for those that failed miserably, they are often given one more mission to bail themselves out. And it is clear to every one why they are given extra mission. And if they do not do their best to perform well, I guess they really do not have what it takes. Some of the platoon mate that went all out to 'help' the troubled PC or PS are actually causing them more harm. As at the end of the day, it further undermine the appointment holder's ability. In the end, the mission became a success because a fellow cadet came out to help with topo, with command etc. OCS is suppose to produce leaders, so based on this alone, it is enough to fail the cadet once more. When we see another cadet helping too much, the instructor will actually 'hint' to the PC/PS. We can say things like 'Hey, is this your mission or your men's? You are the leader, how come you have no idea what is going on?' etc. After the whole exercise, the instructors and the platoon PC/APC (Usually a captain and LTA) will sit down and run through the assessment sheet for the cadet in trouble (abit like american next top model deliberation.. haha), if its is clear cut that he cannot make it as a PC, then we have no choice but to fail him. Some cadets are informed very late as their 'make up' mission is conducted after all the missions in the curriculum, and by then, it is very near to comms parade. Having a make up mission is actually unfair to the fellow cadets too as they will have to sacrifice their well deserved breaks, nights off, canteen breaks etc. It is indeed draining. So we may give a simpler mission, like a simple IA drill of such, or a very mechanical ambush mission.. That was what happened in my time about 10 years ago.. now.. i wonder if things have changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostalgia 4th Gear July 8, 2009 Share July 8, 2009 it was more or less the same case 20 years ago... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolicense Turbocharged July 8, 2009 Share July 8, 2009 No change from 20 years ago here too. Don't want to say too much about what goes on. Myself never kenna PC apointment, just PS and CPS. hehe Not going for SOH so no higher appointment. hehe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrispie 5th Gear July 8, 2009 Share July 8, 2009 On 7/8/2009 at 3:40 AM, Nolicense said: No change from 20 years ago here too. Don't want to say too much about what goes on. Myself never kenna PC apointment, just PS and CPS. hehe Not going for SOH so no higher appointment. hehe i kena CPC for 2 weeks and then kena CPS during Ex Dumpin (come back from defence ex everyone so darn shack.. ask ppl to move fast and clean stores was a horror).. super suay. Then kena PC for the Night attack at Starlight... In the end.. also no SOH nor SOM leh... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkingidiot 1st Gear July 8, 2009 Share July 8, 2009 yeah ...it's a real bummer... 1 of my own section mates was dropped as we were practicing POP drills (at the old SAFTI, at the time). Already geared in the No. 1 uniform with the chrome bayonets and metal soled boots... sigh... i think the guy left in tears. Last I heard he was posted to a signal battalion as a corporal (no 3SG rank yet at the time). Sad... but he was really under performing, but not to lack of effort.. I think that's what got him selected for OCS in the first place, a never give up attitude. Worst time to get bad news like that - at the SAFTI parade square... so near, yet so far... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolicense Turbocharged July 8, 2009 Share July 8, 2009 (edited) why u so suay?? maybe they like you and want to see you excel. :) Edited July 8, 2009 by Nolicense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrispie 5th Gear July 8, 2009 Share July 8, 2009 no lah.. i think im just suay.. im pretty mediocre i guess for my occ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sg2303 2nd Gear July 8, 2009 Share July 8, 2009 On 7/8/2009 at 3:14 AM, Chrispie said: That was what happened in my time about 10 years ago.. now.. i wonder if things have changed. 10 years ago? maybe you were my instructor... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amortifiedpenguin Clutched July 8, 2009 Share July 8, 2009 On 7/7/2009 at 4:25 PM, Zniper said: answer it's easy man... after finish of course easy lah. drive 5ton even easier, so easy till it beomes fun! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Law_ong Neutral Newbie July 8, 2009 Share July 8, 2009 what you think of BMT? is it a course that can be failed? one of my coy mate, failed becoz of attitude and make to recourse. how that? ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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