Have NSFs ever failed a course through incompetence?

[Redplanet]

  On 7/7/2009 at 2:08 PM, Sabretan said:

For OCS/Sispec, it is more of attitude...if ur PC or encik deem u to ve a poor attitude, they will have an internal meeting to decide to fail u or not...becoz failing a cadet in OCS or a trainee in SISPEC needs to write justification, as this means the initial selection got problem.

 

SOC/missions easy to train. It is the attitude that determines. Most/all in OCS are there becoz they want to be there, those in sispec got three types 1) Kanna sabo by PC/platoon mates/Sect Comm in BMT, 2) those still hoping to go OCS via the SISPEC route, 3) those no idea why they are there in the first place ....

 

How true...I can vouch for that.

[Toyo]

There are some NSF that failed to make it as technician. I have even encounter a case where a regular can't passed the course and had to switch to other vocation

[Rollagt]

  On 7/7/2009 at 10:31 AM, Ruzmidah said:

the combat medic course got... but usually fail BCLS course (ie CPR course)... If fail, have to burn weekends until pass...

 

so far, even the most c--k person in my batch passed... =p

 

combat medic course even if passed is nothing coz when met with the real situation, those new medics cant help much due to lack of experience.

Exposure after the course is the most impt..

 

Nowadays not sure abt the standard..will check it out when I return camp for ICT in Aug.

 

 

[Ltcy]

  On 7/7/2009 at 1:50 PM, Amortifiedpenguin said:

truth. they have a habit of OOCing alot of people.

 

field camp dropout=fail

operation thunderstorm dropout=fail

not enough jumps=fail

72km route march dropout=fail

 

for me i was supposed to be a lifeguard but failed the front-crawl timing. so me=FAIL! then eventually became a driver for CDO.

 

btw, its not platoons, its detachments.

 

During my times, it was still known as platoon.... The term was changed to detachment about 3 yrs back.

[Iliketodrive]

i fail my vech mech cos. 6month long cos!! OETI!!! they tell me i cant fail. they dont know how to explain to the top, how come i will fail after wasting 6 months. they give me Question n answer. n tell me retake n pass me.

[Mcf777]

during my times (1993), even dont know how to read/write English (Hokkien Peng) also can pass Milan Gunner Course conducted at Safti.

 

 

[Parkingidiot]

  On 7/7/2009 at 2:08 PM, Sabretan said:

For OCS/Sispec, it is more of attitude...if ur PC or encik deem u to ve a poor attitude, they will have an internal meeting to decide to fail u or not...becoz failing a cadet in OCS or a trainee in SISPEC needs to write justification, as this means the initial selection got problem.

 

SOC/missions easy to train. It is the attitude that determines. Most/all in OCS are there becoz they want to be there, those in sispec got three types 1) Kanna sabo by PC/platoon mates/Sect Comm in BMT, 2) those still hoping to go OCS via the SISPEC route, 3) those no idea why they are there in the first place ....

yep... it's a mental game... sure the physical part is tough...but at the end of the day, it's mind over matter... not giving up when you are so shagged, that it seems so easy to give up... but you dig up the reserves to take another step... and another step... and another step... and drag your buddy along with you...

 

Join the army, they said.... it's a man's life, they said...

[Sg2303]

My coursemate in OCS failed the course and was informed days before the commencement of the rehearsals.

 

Reason: Failed mission assessment twice. Deemed to lack leadership quality.

 

So he became 3SG with IPPT gold, marksmen and JCC badge.

[Ruzmidah]

  On 7/7/2009 at 2:29 PM, Rollagt said:

combat medic course even if passed is nothing coz when met with the real situation, those new medics cant help much due to lack of experience.

Exposure after the course is the most impt..

 

Nowadays not sure abt the standard..will check it out when I return camp for ICT in Aug.

 

 

True... not many medics throughout their 2 yrs in NSF handled a true collapse. The medic drills can only train so much.

 

[Sabretan]

Your course mate really screwed up. Usually your trainer will talk to him as a warning. but still no improvement, then no choice but to cut loss,

 

but not to totally waste the investment, put him in the 2nd tier leadership position. Pro term OOC/failed cadet will be automatically conferred Cpl/3SG as a form of "compensation".

Edited July 7, 2009 by Sabretan

[Sabretan]

totally agree. Combat medics, with all due respect, need real experience to be able to function during times of war. The fact is that some of our combat medics already got problem functioning proper during peace time first aid. But then when it comes to actual warfare the million dollar qtn is

 

 

"Can we make it?" How many of our "stars" have actual real life, split seconds decision making combat scenario? Everything must confirm, then double confirm, then triple confirm, then issue orders....then div go to brigade then go to units then go to company ..... ....then realize wrong intelligence provided by S2 .....To proceed or let's go back to our simulator again

Edited July 7, 2009 by Sabretan

[Amortifiedpenguin]

  On 7/7/2009 at 2:30 PM, Ltcy said:

During my times, it was still known as platoon.... The term was changed to detachment about 3 yrs back.

 

ah... lao jiao... too bad i got posted out of the unit after ord. cannot go back there to drive.

[Zniper]

  On 7/7/2009 at 1:46 PM, Amortifiedpenguin said:

Answer: yes not easy.

 

answer it's easy man...

[Ultramega]

  On 7/7/2009 at 9:09 AM, Ahtong said:

I cannot comment on OCS / SISPEC but I find that it is almost impossible for anyone to fail a vocational course in the SAF. There are people who get OOC because of injury but I have never heard of anyone failing due to sheer incompetence.

 

Is my observation correct or have anyone come across people who were so out of their element they actually got the boot?

 

While we are on this topic, is it true that the most CMI officers end up as RP or MTO?

 

Never heard of anyone failing due to sheer incompetence? Here's one: pilot trainees. They get the boot very easily. Fail ANYTHING and that's it. ANYTHING.

[Ara84]

I actually have alot of frens become transport supervisor after fail air force pilot training. seems to be very common.

[Byond]

bro, u missed out part (4) scholars/ elites - i got one Platoon mate in OCS, he failed BMT due to fitness issues, recos BMT (he tried to keng by doing everything just nice,just passed the grade, in the end, ended up in ocs as he got 4A / A* in his A levels)....

I OOC 2 times in OCS due to

1) suffer pneumonia in 2nd week in lst term (1st month in OCS)

 

2) Pes status downgraded from B to C9L2 (this is my 2nd try in OCS).

 

DUring my lst OOC, i was being sent to Driver's cos, to MT Sgt cos, officially passed out as MT Sgt.

Then serving 2 to 3 months of being a MT Sgt, I was ''passed'' fit to recos OCS again...

Despite i have fractured my right ankle in my sec 2 and had a metal pc inserted in my left ankle (due to fracture) in 96 and had it removed in 97.

To think that i have went for all the courses and was already assigned a vocation...they can simply TT u anywhere just becos they think that you are fit for a higher vocation...

 

 

BTw, driver cos / test is never easy. During my batch, there was this accident where a driver of a 3 tonn caused an accident outside khatib road camp...

it made driving test stricter and more rules and regulations...

i even got a cos mate who opt to drop out of driver cos due to fear of driving...

[Ultramega]

  On 7/7/2009 at 5:12 PM, Ara84 said:

I actually have alot of frens become transport supervisor after fail air force pilot training. seems to be very common.

 

i've heard some become snipers too, since both vocations have some similar requirements (good eyesight, very fit, etc).

[Byond]

any OOCs can also become any vocation

i got one platoon mate, become the RSM's runner through out his ns term (without a vocation)....

 

they can also become signallers...storemen, MT Sgt (like me)....

Dont kena storemen...its really **** work man...blangala work...

 

For my case, i am very lucky as I managed to earn a free civilian licence after NS...

and my current unit is quite special in a way (cannot divulge too much here)...hahaaa

so kinda enjoying the lobo life each time i go back..

 

its maciam Free Transfer everywhere in NS...

as long as they feel u are right for the job...off u go...despite ur protests and history...

Edited July 7, 2009 by Byond