Singapore's not ready

[Elfenstar]

For homosexuality according to this article

 

http://www.todayonline.com/Singapore/EDC09...pores-not-ready

 

However that's not what I want to point out... its seems to me that Singapore is not ready for a truely honest government! Most of you know that I am quite pro-government, however it doesnt mean that they're not snakes. Here's a classic example of it.

 

"Singapore's not ready

 

Law Minister says Govt careful of being ahead of public opinion

 

by Teo Xuanwei

05:55 AM Jul 06, 2009

 

FOLLOWING an Indian high court's recent landmark decision last week which overturned a 150-year-old British colonial era law criminalising homosexuality, is it time for Singapore - whose laws are "copied" from India - to repeal Section 377A?

 

The answer is no, says Law Minister K Shanmugam, because Singapore society is "not ready" for that. "There is a group that is actively committed to saying that homosexuality is okay," said Mr Shanmugam, who is also the Second Minister for Home Affairs.

 

"But probably a majority of Singaporeans are still very conservative and say that this is totally not acceptable. So, the Government has to respect both sides." So we're basing decisions on assumptions and guesses now are we? You're being grossly overpaid to find out not guess Mr Shanmugam

 

He was responding to a question posed by a resident, Ms Khartini Abdul Khalid during a dialogue session when he visited Punggol Central Division yesterday.

 

While the Government has to "set the standards" on many issues, it must "be careful about being ahead of public opinion," he said.

 

"If the majority of our population is against homosexuality, then it's not for the Government to say we are going to force something against the wishes of the people," he said, reiterating the Government's stance when a motion to repeal the law banning homosexual acts in Singapore was intensely debated in Parliament in 2007. Right... except that although the people didn't want ERP or COE, it will still forced down our throats. What about your grossly obscene salaries in which there is more consensus from the people than in anything else that you are all undeserving of?? We are still forced to pay taxes to maintain them. Not to mention even more recently when we are having voices from all the different groups asking for a strong control over outsiders working in Singapore, the government refused to listen and forces us to accept them even when Singaporeans are losing jobs.

 

Section 377A - which makes those convicted liable to imprisonment up to two years - was not repealed eventually, even though the Government said it would not actively enforce it.

 

Mr Shanmugam explained that India's laws on homosexuality have not changed. Instead, it was the New Delhi High Court's interpretation that "with the current evidence available and the current social situations in many parts of the world ... you can no longer consider homosexuality to be a wrongful sexual activity", he said.

 

Mr Shanmugam stressed that Singapore's courts are likewise free to interpret the law the same way.

 

"Whether the courts will take the same interpretations, I don't know, but it's up to the courts.""

Edited July 6, 2009 by Elfenstar

[Yuan]

I thought that was a very tactful answer.

[Mr_b20]

are u gay ?

[Mr_b20]

y are u unhappy about it ?

[Stary]

Actually I am neutral about this issue. I think people comes in all forms and shapes, and we just have to respect them for their choice and sexual preferences. Who are we to dictate how they choose to live?

 

I think we have to accept that gays and lesbians are part of our world and we should learn to live with that. Denying it is not going to help.

[Seevic]

Singapore's not ready

 

Perhaps this is why ->

 

 

A 26-YEAR-OLD Singaporean man died after taking performance-enhancing drugs during a night of casual sex with two other men.

 

Mr Brandon Boh Zhuang Min died 16 days after he was found unconscious in the Holland Close flat of a man he had met barely a week earlier, a coroner's court heard yesterday.

 

Mr Boh, a catering executive, met German magazine publisher Rene Daniels, 45, on an Internet dating site in late March last year.

 

Shortly after, on the weekend of April 4, Mr Boh stayed over at Mr Daniels' home, and the pair had sex.

 

Three days later, they invited another man known only as Ismail - whom Mr Daniels had also met online - to join them for sex at the Holland Close flat.

 

While the trio were in the bedroom, Mr Daniels took out four blue pills meant for sexual enhancement, saying he had brought them from Germany. He took two and gave the other two to Mr Boh. Both of them soon felt unwell.

 

Ismail, whose identity could not be established in the police investigation, left the flat some time after.

 

Later, Mr Daniels' friend, Mr Ong Chee Haur, 36, found the duo lying unconscious in separate rooms. Their bodies were hot and dehydrated. He poured water into their mouths and called for an ambulance when he failed to rouse Mr Daniels.

 

Paramedics found both men foaming at the mouth. They had low blood-sugar levels. After glucose was administered to Mr Daniels, he came to but was still drowsy. Both men were taken to the National University Hospital.

 

Mr Daniels survived, but Mr Boh remained in critical condition and died on April 23 of pneumonia and swelling in the brain following multiple drug abuse.

 

[Elfenstar]

I thought that was a very tactful answer.

 

It was, however it should be consistent with how they've been doing things. Doing "A" when it suits them, and doing "B" instead when it better suits. I would rather they be honest and just say "We will not change the rules because there is a strong and influential group of voters what will not agree with it."

 

Now that he's said that, I wonder what will happen if I come out with a framework for more stringent allowances for foreign workers and get a majority of the population to sign a petition saying they agreed with me.

[Silver_z]

Does that mean you are supportive of repealing 377A?

[Elfenstar]

No for the first. Yes to the second.

I scare anti-gay bigots more than any gay person does, because I am a straight guy validating them.

 

This wasn't meant to be a pro/anti-homosexuality thread though. It was more to discuss how easy it is for our ministers to brush off certain issues "because an assumed majority disagrees" or to force us to accept rulings etc even when a majority disagrees.

[Elfenstar]

Perhaps this is why ->

 

 

 

A 26-YEAR-OLD Singaporean man died after taking performance-enhancing drugs during a night of casual sex with two other men.

 

Mr Brandon Boh Zhuang Min died 16 days after he was found unconscious in the Holland Close flat of a man he had met barely a week earlier, a coroner's court heard yesterday.

 

Mr Boh, a catering executive, met German magazine publisher Rene Daniels, 45, on an Internet dating site in late March last year.

 

Shortly after, on the weekend of April 4, Mr Boh stayed over at Mr Daniels' home, and the pair had sex.

 

Three days later, they invited another man known only as Ismail - whom Mr Daniels had also met online - to join them for sex at the Holland Close flat.

 

While the trio were in the bedroom, Mr Daniels took out four blue pills meant for sexual enhancement, saying he had brought them from Germany. He took two and gave the other two to Mr Boh. Both of them soon felt unwell.

 

Ismail, whose identity could not be established in the police investigation, left the flat some time after.

 

Later, Mr Daniels' friend, Mr Ong Chee Haur, 36, found the duo lying unconscious in separate rooms. Their bodies were hot and dehydrated. He poured water into their mouths and called for an ambulance when he failed to rouse Mr Daniels.

 

Paramedics found both men foaming at the mouth. They had low blood-sugar levels. After glucose was administered to Mr Daniels, he came to but was still drowsy. Both men were taken to the National University Hospital.

 

Mr Daniels survived, but Mr Boh remained in critical condition and died on April 23 of pneumonia and swelling in the brain following multiple drug abuse.

 

 

You mean we straight people don't take performance enhancing (though I think that was just crap ecstacy) drugs or have threesomes??

 

[Elfenstar]

Does that mean you are supportive of repealing 377A?

 

Of course, 377A is an archaic law based on a primitive culture. It and the exception for 375 (a.k.a. rape) as stated in 375(4) should both be scrapped.

 

If you're wondering about the latter, it simply stated that a man cannot be convicted for rape if the woman in question is over 13 years old and is his wife.

Edited July 6, 2009 by Elfenstar

[Mr_b20]

i support gay behaviour so that more women will be available

[SupperTime]

I dont know what the mainstream values of normal Singaporeans are,

 

but....

from my own personal experiences and understanding, I support gay rights because that is my view.

although I cant do anything about it, but sit and watch how it plays out.

[1fast1]

Actually, it's very simple. It doesn't really matter what the "majority" of Singaporeans are "ready for". People should be allowed to do what they want in their private lives as long as it doesn't encroach on the rights of others.

 

Democracy should never be allowed to become a tyranny of the majority. I thought that was the whole point of "strong government" - not to pander, but to make good policy.

[Babyt]

how do they arrived to 'majority of singaporeans cannot accept'?

 

if india can accept why cant singaporeans? i believe singaporeans are better read and sld be enlightened enough to see the real society.

 

if the indians living in the slums are forgiving about being gays, why cant sg?

 

sldnt the more u read the more open minded u r?

 

 

 

this year NDP is choreographed by ivan heng right? .... think he cross dressed in a play before haha...if sg can accept his work, why cant they accept gays?

[Drive_carcar]

They are taking the neutral and safe ground. Leaving the Sec 377A for the courts to decide how to interprete it. Which is not that wrong.

 

TS has unfortunately lump this issue with that of COE, ERP and Govt salaries etc.... Legalising gay is a moral issue, which the govt has to walk the thin ice very very carefully. This being a pluralistic society, albeit gays are still in the minority, they have to be very ultra sensitive in these areas which concerns the morals of the society.

 

As for the COE, ERP, Ministers salaries issues... you can put that into your considerations when you cast your vote. Think wisely whether these issues outweight other goods the govt has or will be doing, and decide based on your very own convictions.

 

P.S. I am not pro PAP, I'm just stating the obvious. When the time come to cast my votes, if the opposition has something good to offer, I will seriously consider voting them as well.

[Gearoil]

Seriously, up till today...i can't imagine HOW some normal parents are taking it..when they realised their son(s) or/and daughter(s) turn out to be gay or lesbian!..hahahahahaha

 

Retribution?

[Falc]

You mean we straight people don't take performance enhancing (though I think that was just crap ecstacy) drugs or have threesomes??

 

Come on, those victims are in their prime, not in the sunset of their lives, still need what performance enhancing. Maybe anal sex needs more adrenalin.

 

Also, the ease of forming threesomes in the quoted case is glaring.