AWARE saga-very ironical

[Vtim]

  On 4/26/2009 at 3:17 PM, Jamesc said:

Neither can impotant men or barren women or couples using contraceptives!

 

Should we just shoot them?

 

 

good point

[Vtim]

  On 4/26/2009 at 3:38 PM, Kusje said:

I stated that the key word there was desire. Do you think they have that desire but supress it or are they void of the desire?

 

both my colleague and friend, that are married, do not want or "desire" to have kids, so they have the "disease" also ??

[Babyt]

neither do i agree w christian tots also. right?

 

if new aware tells me dont have premarital sex, i said b-------t...if old aware tells me premarital sex does occur but be responsible then i agree.

 

if new aware tells me gays are sinful .. but my gay frens dont harm me, or kill anyone...its sinful in your bible as that...to me they r not sinner for just being gay.

 

i also remembered catholic disapprove masturbation and condoms...so it is sinful to masturbate? but most of us masturbate!! so lets get real....

Edited April 29, 2009 by Babyt

[Hishercar]

they forget the most important thing

 

their religion teaches that

 

God came to save the sinners

 

but to them,religion appears to be club thing

 

ask them if they accept a newly release high profile convict (not white collar crime but rapist or murder) to be a member of aware

 

most of them act like they are God's messenger

 

as for me i begin to see the light

 

 

who just turn off the lights

 

 

 

[Vtim]

  On 4/26/2009 at 9:17 PM, Elfenstar said:

Actually all of us are diseased as our relationships with our parents, siblings, and friends are non-sexual in nature and do not result in children

 

that's a good one, at least got some going around

[Falc]

I think the analogy of homo as a disease define as lack of desire to procreate is not accurate.

 

Bottom line is whether homo is socially acceptable as a lifestyle. Whether homo is natural is debatable. But even if we concede homo is "natural", and i wonder how many of us is honestly convinced with it objectively speaking and not speaking in retaliation, there are things which may be natural yet condemnable.

 

Adultery may be argued as natural by many especially when we survey the animal world (but man is not just an animal is he), yet that is deem socially unacceptable. Polygamy may be argued as natural (and desirable :P) too, but certainly socially unacceptable (less the islamic world).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Falc]

  On 4/29/2009 at 3:37 PM, Hishercar said:

they forget the most important thing

 

their religion teaches that

 

God came to save the sinners

 

but to them,religion appears to be club thing

 

ask them if they accept a newly release high profile convict (not white collar crime but rapist or murder) to be a member of aware

 

most of them act like they are God's messenger

 

as for me i begin to see the light

who just turn off the lights

 

God does save the sinner, a repentant sinner. If one thinks he's not a sinner in the first place, then what's there to save? God does not come to make a sin a non-sin , he came to wash its consequences away with his blood.

 

I think you are insinuating the point about convict and the holier than thou attitude, do you have proof that the same convict will be admited into aware under the OG too?

[Elfenstar]

  On 4/27/2009 at 9:06 AM, Gnoikj said:

Whoa!!! Showdown expected...

 

Almost happened. They moved it the EGM to expo, next to a COOS conference , but ended changing it a 2nd time to suntec after people got wind of it and wanted to crash their conference LOL

 

[Elfenstar]

  On 4/27/2009 at 9:54 AM, Help1 said:

why can't the church goers just attend their sunday mass, confess any evil wrongdoings that were done over the week seek for forgiveness, pray and sing, then drive off to have lunch lah...why make so much trouble....go nothing better to do isit...then next sun come back again, repeat the cycle lah....wah liew choot so many patterns...can't wait for SG Govt to whip them and send them to HELL....LOL

 

Its just some over-zealous factions and people that do that. Not all lah.

 

[Elfenstar]

  On 4/28/2009 at 3:17 PM, Genie47 said:

I'm on a vampire addiction and have been going through my favorite vampire series, Forever Knight which IMHO offers far more weightier issues than Buffy, Underworld or Steph Myers Mormon Twilight vampires.

 

I quote Lacroix which is brilliantly played by Nigel Bennet in the episode Sons of Belial.

 

This God and this Devil are a mere human contrivance. A convenience. They are for the justification for slaughter without the tricky business of accountablity.

 

Where did you find it??? I've been wanting to re-watch the entire series!!!!

 

Actually the quote is true with the way humans use it even if god and the devil are real.

 

[Elfenstar]

  On 4/29/2009 at 6:30 AM, Scenic98 said:

were the speaking in tongues when the pastor asked all to pray? spooky.

 

I asked a "charasmatic christian" friend once how she knew if it was the holy spirit talking or if it was the devil. She couldn't answer it and got pissed with me

 

[Elfenstar]

  On 4/29/2009 at 8:52 AM, Help1 said:

who knows Jesus indeed is a human being who can procreate and not something divine, can't imagine millions of ppl who believe in jesus and one fine day, they found out he is a man who had a child with mary and there is a bloodline, the truth is out there

 

According to a few orthodox catholic bibles, he did have a child with Mary Magdalene.

 

[Elfenstar]

  On 4/29/2009 at 2:05 PM, Falc said:

Boss,

are u in a position to verify what's written here:

 

Target audience: school children age 12-18 years old

Extracted from CSE Trainer's Manual: The following are statements about each word that trainers can use to explain why the words should be in this particular category.

* Anal sex - can be healthy or neutral if practiced with consent and with a condom.

* Pre-marital sex - people might place pre-marital sex as negative, but it is really neutral.The key is whether the couple is aware of the consequences and responsibilities and is ready for them. Sex with girls under 14 with or without consent, is considered as statutory rape. Sex with girls under 16, wiith or without consent, is considered as carnal connection.

* Homosexual - people have different preferences for their partners. Homosexual is perfectly normal.

 

and the involvement of the following trainers?

 

Aware's CSE trainers in 2008 includes:

1. Mathia Lee ( Her blog includes a link to Joshua lim's gay romance movie)

2. Tan Joo Hymn (Founding member of local LGBT(Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual, Transgender people) "SAFE" website)

 

  On 4/29/2009 at 3:16 PM, Falc said:

Found more info. But i can't vouch for the authenticity of the extract.

 

 

 

Extracted from CSE Trainer's Manual

 

CSE TRAINERS TO NOTE:

 

Avoid using the term 'husband' and use 'partner' instead, so it is more inclusive, e.g. homosexuals have partners, not 'husbands'.

 

CSE TRAINERS TO TEACH THAT BELOW STATEMENT IS FALSE:

 

1. Homosexuality is unnatural.

2. For a homosexual, heterosexuality may seen unnatural. We do not know what causes homosexuality, or heterosexuality for that matter.

3. Some scientific studies show people are born like this.

 

CSE TRAINERS TO TEACH THAT BELOW STATEMENT IS FALSE:

 

1. The chances of homosexuality increase because of childhood trauma, e.g. child sex abuse.

2. If you are using sex toys, still use some form of protection, e.g. place a condom over a dildo and clean it as instructed.

 

 

LOL, no I'm not. Never seen any of their training manuals, or know indepth about their volunteers, but from a scientific background, those points are sound. I can't verify if those are their trainers, but, as I've said before, its the merit from them imparting knowledge thats important, not their sexual orientation.

Edited April 29, 2009 by Elfenstar

[Elfenstar]

  On 4/29/2009 at 2:50 PM, Kusje said:

But not all the children they are preaching their pro-lesbian thoughts to are free thinkers? And their parents might not agree?

 

Well it is neutral as science says that what AWARE is stating is true. It is not pro or anti anything, just factual.

 

[Elfenstar]

  On 4/29/2009 at 2:53 PM, Schmi said:

I'm afraid I'll have to correct your wrong impression about the Christian life.

 

The Gospel of Matthew in the bible states:

 

Mt 7:21

[Elfenstar]

  On 4/29/2009 at 3:42 PM, Falc said:

I think the analogy of homo as a disease define as lack of desire to procreate is not accurate.

 

Bottom line is whether homo is socially acceptable as a lifestyle. Whether homo is natural is debatable. But even if we concede homo is "natural", and i wonder how many of us is honestly convinced with it objectively speaking and not speaking in retaliation, there are things which may be natural yet condemnable.

 

Adultery may be argued as natural by many especially when we survey the animal world (but man is not just an animal is he), yet that is deem socially unacceptable. Polygamy may be argued as natural (and desirable :P) too, but certainly socially unacceptable (less the islamic world).

 

There is nothing unnatural about adultery or polygamy. The former is wrong because there is a prior contract between the adulterer and their partner(s).

 

[Babyt]

is oral sex neutral?? i think so coz ppl having been doing it since long long ago.

 

but to xtians, do they consider it sinful? is it wrong?

 

i think its ok to tell ppl, if u do oral sex, u sld know the danger of it and need to practise it safe. if u simply sweep it off as 'sinful and is wrong' den u r in denial.

[Vtim]

you have a point there.