Shanghai GP

[Wt_know]

oops ... is it the same Brawn-Merc engine ? hehehe

 

  On 4/19/2009 at 11:56 AM, Jonbummer said:

eeerrrr bro ForceIndia is already using a Merc engine currently

 

[Wt_know]

cannot believe it when i look at the constructor's championship

 

09 - Ferrari

10 - Force India

 

can be buddy-buddy liao

 

  On 4/19/2009 at 11:56 AM, Jonbummer said:

eeerrrr bro ForceIndia is already using a Merc engine currently

Edited April 19, 2009 by Wt_know

[Stary]

  On 4/19/2009 at 12:00 PM, Wt_know said:

cannot believe it when i look at the constructor's championship

 

09 - Ferrari

10 - Force India

 

can be buddy-buddy liao

 

I feel sad for Force India. Could have taken 6th and you will see them above Ferrari.

 

What's wrong with Ferrari this season? 3 GP and still zero points. Yes...poor diffuser could be an issue, but Red Bull still win what.

I think the Ferrari car has more problem than one thinks.

 

 

[Jonbummer]

yes Sir... i wld think so.

 

anyway, engine for for power. one still very much need

a sweet handling chassis to do anyway good with it.

 

which is why, Redbull & BrawnGp cars are juts faster than others.

[Stary]

  On 4/19/2009 at 10:39 AM, Zcold said:

i believe its cos he was really light on fuel.. no choice... at 637kg its the lowest on the field...

 

no light fuel hard to qualify 2nd

 

they wanted to "spend" the super soft compounds....

 

but who knew it rained... LL

 

When it rained, everyone already knew it's more or less Vettel's day.

 

That guy is always good during wet weather and he seems to win only when it's wet

[Jonbummer]

ferrari is trying t fulfilled their chairman's prophesy of being a clown team?

:D

 

but seriously i think they will be long way off the points chart this year.

 

their car is simply just not quick enough.

[Wt_know]

so the engines available for F1 racing are (in constructor's championship order )

 

1. Merc

2. Renault

3. Toyota

4. BMW

5. Ferrari

 

  On 4/19/2009 at 12:03 PM, Jonbummer said:

yes Sir... i wld think so.

 

anyway, engine for for power. one still very much need

a sweet handling chassis to do anyway good with it.

 

which is why, Redbull & BrawnGp cars are juts faster than others.

 

[Wt_know]

just like last year Monza he led from start to end

 

  On 4/19/2009 at 12:05 PM, Starry said:

When it rained, everyone already knew it's more or less Vettel's day.

 

That guy is always good during wet weather and he seems to win only when it's wet

 

[Jonbummer]

official result:

 

POS DRIVER ENTRANT LAPS TIME/RETIRE

 

1. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 56 1h57m43.485

2. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 56 10.970

3. Jenson Button Brawn-Mercedes 56 44.975

 

4. Rubens Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes 56 1m03.704

5. Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 56 1m05.102

6. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 56 1m11.866

7. Timo Glock Toyota 56 1m14.476

8. Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 56 1m16.439

 

 

9. Fernando Alonso Renault 56 1m24.309

10. Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 56 1m31.750

11. Sebastien Bourdais Toro Rosso-Ferrari 56 1m34.156

12. Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 56 1m35.834

13. Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 56 1m46.853

14. Giancarlo Fisichella Force India-Mercedes 55 1 Lap

15. Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 55 1 Lap

16. Nelson Piquet Renault 54 2 Laps

17. Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 50 6 Laps, Accident

 

R. Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota 43 Retired

R Felipe Massa Ferrari 20 Electronics

R Jarno Trulli Toyota 18 Damage

 

FASTEST LAP:

Rubens Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes 42 1:52.592

[inlinesix]

  On 4/19/2009 at 12:07 PM, Jonbummer said:

ferrari is trying t fulfilled their chairman's prophesy of being a clown team?

:D

 

but seriously i think they will be long way off the points chart this year.

 

their car is simply just not quick enough.

Mayb i m a tifosi. I believe Ferrari will come back when the circus goes back to Europe. Ferrari do not have the habit of changing setup during flyaway races.

[Jonbummer]

it will be nice to see all teams going for the sharp end.

Ferrari included. but if u put it as they do not have the

habit of changing setup during flyaway races then they

deserved to be where they are now, dun they?

 

and dun watch Bahrain... i think the Scarlets may be

at the mid field again. and even worse if the rest managed to

upgrade their cars

[inlinesix]

  On 4/20/2009 at 3:43 PM, Jonbummer said:

it will be nice to see all teams going for the sharp end.

Ferrari included. but if u put it as they do not have the

habit of changing setup during flyaway races then they

deserved to be where they are now, dun they?

 

and dun watch Bahrain... i think the Scarlets may be

at the mid field again. and even worse if the rest managed to

upgrade their cars

I meant Ferrari usually don't intro new parts during flyaway races. That's why i gave up watch after Qualifying 2. On Sunday, i give it a miss. Watching the scarlet team slightly faster than Force India make me heartache.

[Jonbummer]

not only that, seeing Massa's car stopping cos of electronic issue is quite a bad sign

also.. somehow i believed it's rain related. short circuit?

 

[Shull]

  On 4/21/2009 at 4:44 AM, Jonbummer said:

not only that, seeing Massa's car stopping cos of electronic issue is quite a bad sign

also.. somehow i believed it's rain related. short circuit?

 

 

Ferrari actually remove the KERS wholesale from their cars..removing something from a car designed with that 'something' in mind is trying to invite disaster..

[Jonbummer]

yup just like Kubica's car.

they place the Kers (curse? ) on his car last fri

which do not worked out well for him at all

 

they took it out on fri nite, but he never can find the

sweet balance spot for him .. qualified 18th

[inlinesix]

  On 4/21/2009 at 4:44 AM, Jonbummer said:

not only that, seeing Massa's car stopping cos of electronic issue is quite a bad sign

also.. somehow i believed it's rain related. short circuit?

 

If it is because of the rain, that is really really bad.

 

I hope Ferrari don't go back to the Italian Team of d 80s.

[Jonbummer]

i dun think they will, and i hope not

 

cos if they do slipped that far down, i think Ferrari management

may just pull out from F1. why be a laughing stock...?

and how to attract and explain to sponsors?

[Jonbummer]

something interesting from f1-live.com

 

The FIA on Monday backed Adam Parr's claim that Ferrari said it fielded technically illegal cars in Formula One.

 

A spat broke out in Shanghai between the Italian team and Parr, who is the Williams team's chief executive.

 

Ferrari team boss Stefano Domenicali, backed by Renault's Flavio Briatore, hit out at Parr after comments attributed to him suggested Ferrari had used illegal cars in the past.

 

But on Monday, the FIA said Ferrari did indeed admit to committing "a technical violation" of the technical regulations in the past during the Court of Appeal hearing last Tuesday.

 

"Ferrari acknowledged that multiple vertical transitions had been used by many teams in the past, including Ferrari itself, and argued that all such prior uses (including its own) had constituted a technical violation of the (technical regulations) which had been tolerated," the Court of Appeal finding said.

The FIA published the court's 20-page findings in full on Monday.

 

In the document, the court - which found in favour of the diffuser teams Brawn, Toyota and Williams - acknowledged the loophole that led to the saga.

 

Amazingly, the diffuser teams and their rivals had argued at length about whether holes in the controversial designs were actually holes.

 

"The (diffuser teams) and the FIA submit that, while there may be spaces between different surfaces, the surfaces themselves do not have holes in them.

 

They contend that the spaces between different surfaces are not holes within the very specific meaning of" article 3.12.5.

 

The FIA also denied Red Bull's claim that the governing body turned down its clarification in January 2007 about designing a similar concept.

 

Monday's document reads: "The questions put to (the FIA) in previous cases were different and answered correctly and in a manner consistent with its present position."

 

The contesting teams had also argued that if the design of 'double-decker' diffusers were considered legal, the seven remaining teams would have no choice but to spend great amounts of money redesigning their own diffusers, creating a situation contrary to the current efforts to reduce costs in F1.

 

The FIA separated the concepts by stating that "the possibility of teams not presently using the Contested Design Concept incurring future development costs is not a factor relevant to the legal assessment of whether the Contested Decisions comply with the (technical regulations) or not."