Shanghai GP

[Jonbummer]

Before the cars even go out on to the track, we already have some news on the sports

 

 

it is relating to the diffuser saga.

 

after a 8 hours hearing in Paris, verdict has just being out:

 

The International Court of Appeal announced today that the diffusers designs run by Brawn GP, Toyota and Williams are legal and therefore the results from the opening two rounds of the championship are now confirmed.

 

"The FIA International Court of Appeal has decided to deny the appeals submitted against decisions numbered 16 to 24 taken by the Panel of the Stewards on 26 March at the 2009 Grand Prix of Australia and counting towards the 2009 FIA Formula One World Championship," a statement released this morning read.

 

"Based on the arguments heard and evidence before it, the Court has concluded that the Stewards were correct to find that the cars in question comply with the applicable regulations."

 

"Full reasons for this decision will be provided in due course."

 

f1-live.com

 

 

meaning we may just see some other teams running the double deck diffuser

later this week in China.

this F1 season is just interesting...

Edited April 15, 2009 by Jonbummer

[Application9999]

aiya...no grid girl photo one haha....

[Shull]

oh yes..all other teams are shitting in their pants now.. [laugh] esp Ferrari and McLaren..

[Wt_know]

i would speculate they already began making the diffuser before the hearing as plan B

 

  On 4/15/2009 at 9:46 AM, Shull said:

oh yes..all other teams are shitting in their pants now.. [laugh] esp Ferrari and McLaren..

 

[Jonbummer]

  On 4/15/2009 at 9:38 AM, Application9999 said:

aiya...no grid girl photo one haha....

 

just for u from Sepang...

 

very dark, i know but better than nothing rite?

[Jonbummer]

yup.. Renault already have it on standby

 

but the problem with it is that it's not tested properly

so the performance of the new parts is unknown

 

still it throw the odds of the race and quali wide open

[Jonbummer]

more report from BBC

 

Motorsport's governing body, the FIA, has ruled the Brawn GP car, which has taken Briton Jenson Button to two wins this season, is legal.

 

A panel heard eight hours of strongly worded evidence on Tuesday after complaints that Brawn, Toyota and Williams, use an illegal diffuser.

 

And the five International Court of Appeal judges said the designs "comply with the applicable regulations".

 

All three teams are free to race in the Chinese Grand Prix in Shanghai.

 

"The decision comes as no great surprise," said BBC Radio 5 Live Formula One commentator David Croft.

 

"Already this season two sets of stewards, an FIA president and an FIA race director have thought that the diffuser design of Brawn, Williams and Toyota was OK.

 

"It's a sensible decision for Formula One. The FIA's court of appeal were highly unlikely, on technical grounds, to go against the decision of the stewards. Seven teams are now playing catch up and have to do something about it very, very quickly."

 

Brawn GP currently lead the constructors' world championship with 25 points, with Toyota in second place on 16 points.

 

A Toyota statement issued immediately after the ruling said: "Our team studied the wording of the new 2009 regulations in precise detail to ensure we interpreted them correctly.

 

"We also made full use of the consultation procedure with the FIA which was a helpful process to ensure our interpretation of the technical regulations was correct.

 

"Therefore we had every confidence that the design of our car would be confirmed as legal, firstly by race stewards in Australia and Malaysia and subsequently by the Court of Appeal."

 

The judges in Paris heard evidence from both sides, with Ferrari's legal representative, Nigel Tozzi QC, describing Brawn GP team boss Ross Brawn as "a person of supreme arrogance".

 

Brawn defended himself robustly and insisted his team's diffuser was simply "an innovative approach of an existing idea".

 

And Brawn's criticism of Ferrari consultant Rory Bryne and Red Bull technical guru Adrian Newey saw sparks fly in the courtroom, with the Englishman refusing to retract his statements.

 

FIA technical director Charlie Whiting was also grilled, with accusations his organisation are "getting it wrong, and not understanding the point".

 

The row broke out when Ferrari, Renault and Red Bull protested against the legality of the split-level diffusers on the eve of the season-opening grand prix in Australia, but race stewards in Melbourne rejected their claims.

 

BMW Sauber then had a similar protest rejected at the Malaysian Grand Prix while McLaren have recently added their weight to the official protest.

 

Speaking from outside FIA headquarters in Paris on Tuesday, BBC sports news reporter Joe Wilson said: "Rear diffusers this season were supposed to get smaller, but Brawn and a couple of other teams have ended up with bigger ones, exploiting a little loophole in the laws."

 

The protesting teams said the split-level design contravenes a rule that states the diffuser - an aerodynamic body part which aids performance - must have an upper edge that runs in a horizontal straight line.

 

They also believed the design is negating the main aim of this season's new rule changes, which is to make overtaking easier.

 

The split-level diffusers generate more downforce at the rear of the car, resulting in a clear performance advantage of around 0.5 seconds per lap.

 

With the FIA's ruling, the seven teams who are running without the split-level diffusers are expected to try to incorporate the design into their cars as soon as possible.

 

But setting about such a radical redesign with the season under way will not be easy.

 

Many of the teams running with regular diffusers argue the cost of making the changes is too great, especially during a climate of cost-cutting within the sport in the face of the global economic crisis.

 

"I've heard several of them complaining about the cost," said Brawn before the verdict.

 

"But there are lots of things teams copy from each other and the cost doesn't get debated.

 

"I think some teams will be able to do it very quickly, but for other teams it will be more difficult because of their suspension configuration or other elements of the car."

 

 

WHAT IS A DIFFUSER?

 

It is the rear part of the floor of the car between the rear wheels and under the rear wing

It is crucial to the aerodynamics, and small changes can have a big impact on downforce -

and therefore grip and speed

 

[Turin]

Is it still possible to do modification now? Thought they need to use the same specs throughout the season?

[Jonbummer]

if i'm not wrong, only engine mod cannot or very limited depending on reasoning.

else parts on car can be improved.

[Wt_know]

what's wrong with brawn gp diffuser ?

the upper edge still run in horizontal line !

it is not like a diffuser on top of another diffuser

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v66/Impe...01Diffuser2.jpg

 

  Quote

The protesting teams said the split-level design contravenes a rule that states the diffuser - an aerodynamic body part which aids performance - must have an upper edge that runs in a horizontal straight line.

Edited April 15, 2009 by Wt_know

[Application9999]

Grid girl with a pair of Jean? bolehland style.......wow lau....

[Turin]

The race will get more exciting after ferrari etc made the alterations!!

[Jonbummer]

think it's too technical for us to really really understand what's what

 

extract from my earlier post, from BBC

 

Speaking from outside FIA headquarters in Paris on Tuesday, BBC sports news reporter Joe Wilson said: "Rear diffusers this season were supposed to get smaller, but Brawn and a couple of other teams have ended up with bigger ones, exploiting a little loophole in the laws."

 

The protesting teams said the split-level design contravenes a rule that states the diffuser - an aerodynamic body part which aids performance - must have an upper edge that runs in a horizontal straight line.

 

(the 3 teams got clever and extend the bodyworks and fused with the diffuser, i think)

 

They also believed the design is negating the main aim of this season's new rule changes, which is to make overtaking easier.

[Wt_know]

you are darn right.

we just want to enjoy the thrill and excitement of F1 racing

hopefully the "favourite" team like Ferrari, BMW, McLaren, Renault can catch up.

for the 1st 2 race, their car totally cannot catch up with Brawn GP. totally no fight, how to overtake.

 

  On 4/15/2009 at 10:19 AM, Jonbummer said:

think it's too technical for us to really really understand what's what

Edited April 15, 2009 by Wt_know

[Jonbummer]

to be honest, i'm quite happy that the 'established order' of teams

had been shaken up. this makes things and races much more lively.

 

with this silly confuser thingy out of the way, we shall see who can

catch up the fastest

 

some update on the Shanghai weather:

 

Sat

Chance of Rain

30% chance of precipitation

 

 

Sun

Overcast

[Jonbummer]

something from ST... making it a bit simpler for us to understand

the diffuser

 

and the revised weatehr forecast for sunday is:

 

Chance of Rain, 40% chance of precipitation

 

nice! [:p]

Edited April 16, 2009 by Jonbummer

[Wt_know]

to Brawn GP for the innovative design and think out of the box.

who say diffuser must be a "standalone" part that is attached to the car body ? hahaha

 

  On 4/16/2009 at 2:53 AM, Jonbummer said:

something from ST... making it a bit simpler for us to understand

the diffuser

 

and the revised weatehr forecast for sunday is:

 

Chance of Rain, 40% chance of precipitation

 

nice! [:p]

 

[Wt_know]

Ferrari and Mclaren should retaliate by making a EVEN BIGGER diffuser.

 

  On 4/15/2009 at 10:19 AM, Jonbummer said:

Speaking from outside FIA headquarters in Paris on Tuesday, BBC sports news reporter Joe Wilson said: "Rear diffusers this season were supposed to get smaller, but Brawn and a couple of other teams have ended up with bigger ones, exploiting a little loophole in the laws."