Audi a4 ambition vs attraction

[Sgspurs]

what's the difference between these 2 ? think one is selling at 139k and the other 149k. Also does Audi gives overtrade when we trade in our old car?? What's the usual amt they give ?

[Damienic]

ambition comes with the famous LED lights (the same one which you see on the R8 as shown in Ironman) whereas attraction does not. there is also upgrade to 17 inch sports rims for ambition. attraction comes in 16 inch rims only..apart from this two differences, there is a couple of other differences in accessories and etc..the LED lights cost abt 4K++ if you do it seperately..

 

audi do give overtrade...price is now about 120-125K after the overtrade discount if I'm not wrong...

[Mcfguy]

Does overtrade mean that you still servicing the loan of an existing car and want to trade it in? If current car is fully paid, does it mean one would not get it at 120 - 125K range?

[Damienic]

overtrade can mean two things:

 

1)old car is sold but outstanding loan is not settled and it is being build onto loan of the new car..ie you service loan for current car and on top of that, the outstanding loan of the old car as well..

 

2)AD offer you a much higher trade in price for your existing car so that you can use the cash to settle the outstanding loan and use the remaining (if there is any balance left) as downpayment for the new car..

 

nowadays (2) is the more common pratice and widely offered by many ADs..

 

in the case of Audi which is (2), they will quote you price of around 135K for the A4 and then offer you over 10K overtrade so tat you would have money to pay off the oustanding loan and buy the new car from them..I was by the way, offered 17K overtrade by an audi SE to buy a new A4 from her...I did not bite..

[Damienic]

ai yea, can still get at 120-125K one even if no outstanding loan..you just tell the SE someone you know bought at this price after the overtrade and they will give it to you one..

[Kretia]

Let me try to answer that

 

Attraction VS Ambition

16" rims VS 17" rim

halogen VS HID lights

halogen DRL VS LED DRL

normal seat VS sports seat

VS S-line bodykit

VS OMV +2-3K

$139,000 VS $149,900

 

As for overtrade, yes, they are giving >10K overtrade. As long as you have a car to trade in.

 

As usual, if you can register by this week, can try to ask for 1-2K more discount...

Edited December 22, 2008 by Kretia

[Kelpie]

The current A4 is a very handsome one. You can see A4 owners turned on their famous LED lights even during day time.

 

Unfortunately, It doesn't have the rear cabin size that I want. The center trunk is very thick and high too. Rear center seat not for lady.

 

Regards,

[Throttle2]

yes it's a handsome car.

 

whats the omv by the way, anyone?

 

got at least $45k or not?

[Mcfguy]

yes it's a handsome car.

 

whats the omv by the way, anyone?

 

got at least $45k or not?

 

 

36K for the attraction and 39.1K for the ambition.

[Mcfguy]

in the case of Audi which is (2), they will quote you price of around 135K for the A4 and then offer you over 10K overtrade so tat you would have money to pay off the oustanding loan and buy the new car from them..I was by the way, offered 17K overtrade by an audi SE to buy a new A4 from her...I did not bite..

 

 

17K overtrade seems like you would've gotten a good deal , what's the reason for not taking the bite?

[Damienic]

a couple of reasons...firstly, I was not really in urgent need to change car (can still tahan my ride for at least half a yr or more)..secondly, I feel with how the economy is going, I believe there is still room for the price to drop further...right now the drop in price we've seen is very much due to a drop in coe but in reality is, the profit margin of AD remains quite the same(compared to when coe was still at above 10K level)...tat is, it hasn't exactly drop..I feel next yr the market will be even quieter and ADs will be forced to drop their margin to entice buyers and survive the hard times..i think if OMV and coe remains around the same level next yr, the A4 probably can go down to 113-114K after the overtrade discount..tat's the price I'm looking at..

[Damienic]

throttle bro, A4 attraction OMV is 35-36K...A4 amibtion OMV is 39K++..

[Mcfguy]

a couple of reasons...firstly, I was not really in urgent need to change car (can still tahan my ride for at least half a yr or more)..secondly, I feel with how the economy is going, I believe there is still room for the price to drop further...right now the drop in price we've seen is very much due to a drop in coe but in reality is, the profit margin of AD remains quite the same(compared to when coe was still at above 10K level)...tat is, it hasn't exactly drop..I feel next yr the market will be even quieter and ADs will be forced to drop their margin to entice buyers and survive the hard times..i think if OMV and coe remains around the same level next yr, the A4 probably can go down to 113-114K after the overtrade discount..tat's the price I'm looking at..

 

yes, heard quite a bit about car market in 09 will see some difficult times. Maybe after CNY, deals will be even better.

[BMW320i]

what's the difference between these 2 ? think one is selling at 139k and the other 149k. Also does Audi gives overtrade when we trade in our old car?? What's the usual amt they give ?

 

I test drove the 3.2L A4. If you have the dough, the 3.2L is worth the buy.

 

The difference between the 2 is mainly options. The 149k is the S line version which is somewhat inline with BMW's Professional equivalent.

 

I can't recall every single one but the Tyres are different. I CSC 2, (225 profile) on the basic model 245 on s line model. Tyre size, rims, aluminum inserts,

 

The way I see it, the S Line is aesthetically more pleasing but you have to justify paying over 10k for those options. Either that or save the 10k and go aftermarket yourself.

 

Be careful with the overtrade price. We were quoted a very high trade in price for my mother's E46 320i but she did mention softly, "pending on condition", which we have to bring in another day. In such cases even if the condition is good, they will be able to find all sorts of stories to bring your car value down. If I recall correctly, she quoted $53k for my mother's 2002 E46 and in addition she will deduct another $6000 from the $188k from the 3.2L A4. I found it too good to be true because she did mention she can deduct more than $6k from the 188k if we are serious.

 

In the end we settled for the 325 coupe.

 

The 3.2L is really good value for money because it has every single option for the price of a 325 coupe. The same cannot be said for their service department as a bunchful of my father's friend who has owned Audis before complained the dealer not honouring warranty claims. Eg. Q7 engine shut down, electrical off, no power steering on Expressway.

 

I have no prior experience with Audi so I am not sure if that is true or not. It is best you check out the Audi forums in Singapore and see if a certain so and so can hook you up with a reliable service advisor.

[Rm2s]

Audi as a brand has done a few things since Audi Singapore took over the importer role.

 

The cars they introduced so far, starting from the pre-facelift A3 Sportback 1.8 TFSI (back in September 07), has had one trait; The car is fully loaded with options but has very very low OMV.

 

This strategy works for people who compare selling price and tick boxes on options they feel needed in a car.

 

You take the A4 (even the attraction) and compare that to the entry level 320. You take the A5 and compare that to E92. The Audis are loaded with stuff and they sell at or around the same price of their competitors.

 

Those who are more careful and actually know a thing or two about vehicular tax structure will be very quick to point out the unusually large gross margin of Audi cars. It is not uncommon that they are in excess of 100% of OMV. Take the A4 as an example, Ambition trim, 39K OMV, selling at about 136K at today's COE level (3K); the gross margin? 43K or 110% of OMV.

 

Many would think 136K buy you a lot of car, fancy LED headlight, xenon, sport seat, S-line body kit, 17" sport rim, etc etc .. and by all means, it is good value if you look at options vs buying price, but for many others, it is just unthinkable to give away 43K.

 

Work out the margin for 320 or IS 250 .. you will know what I mean.

 

This post is by no mean "for" or "against" Audi, it is just my humble observation (all figures are openly available in the internet and formula published by LTA) and I mean no harm to any particular car brands.

 

[BMW320i]

Audi as a brand has done a few things since Audi Singapore took over the importer role.

 

The cars they introduced so far, starting from the pre-facelift A3 Sportback 1.8 TFSI (back in September 07), has had one trait; The car is fully loaded with options but has very very low OMV.

 

This strategy works for people who compare selling price and tick boxes on options they feel needed in a car.

 

You take the A4 (even the attraction) and compare that to the entry level 320. You take the A5 and compare that to E92. The Audis are loaded with stuff and they sell at or around the same price of their competitors.

 

Those who are more careful and actually know a thing or two about vehicular tax structure will be very quick to point out the unusually large gross margin of Audi cars. It is not uncommon that they are in excess of 100% of OMV. Take the A4 as an example, Ambition trim, 39K OMV, selling at about 136K at today's COE level (3K); the gross margin? 43K or 110% of OMV.

 

Many would think 136K buy you a lot of car, fancy LED headlight, xenon, sport seat, S-line body kit, 17" sport rim, etc etc .. and by all means, it is good value if you look at options vs buying price, but for many others, it is just unthinkable to give away 43K.

 

Work out the margin for 320 or IS 250 .. you will know what I mean.

 

This post is by no mean "for" or "against" Audi, it is just my humble observation (all figures are openly available in the internet and formula published by LTA) and I mean no harm to any particular car brands.

 

Quite insightful. I see where your coming from regarding OMV.

[Conned]

Those are DRL ( daytime running lights ) and its auto on when I start the engine. good for visibility & safety purpose..

But I agree wz u on e space & center seat. inherent on all sedan audis.

 

 

The current A4 is a very handsome one. You can see A4 owners turned on their famous LED lights even during day time.

 

Unfortunately, It doesn't have the rear cabin size that I want. The center trunk is very thick and high too. Rear center seat not for lady.

 

Regards,

 

[Rm2s]

Those are DRL ( daytime running lights ) and its auto on when I start the engine. good for visibility & safety purpose..

But I agree wz u on e space & center seat. inherent on all sedan audis.

 

Actually the A4 is worst, if you noticed, the rear aircon vents are protruding out leaving a small gap between the vents and the rear bench seat. That is why someone here mentioned it is not suitable for lady to sit in the middle, she will have hard time crossing her legs. Haha

 

Another point, the driver dead pedal, it is as if they did not bother to clear the tunnel shape when they lifted the left-hand drive design to the right, leaving the left leg being pushed out when trying to rest the leg. Very uncomfortable.

 

The CVT is a killer too.

 

Other than these, it's a great car !!