Electrical interference from MRT during F1

[Garlic]

Interview @ http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-...ristian-horner/

[Shull]

LoL...this is funny..

 

So what was the suspected cause? The tourist guides don

[Wishcumstrue]

IMHO, this is possible if taken into the context of electromagnetic interference on electronics.

 

I would be surprised if those F1 electronic/electrical components weren't subjected to some EMI tolerance testing.

 

This can get even more critical as other hi-powered electronics systems like KERS becomes mandatory in F1 2009.

[Watwheels]

Of so many teams how come only this team of the same car suffer identical mechanical failure?

 

To me, unless they can prove what they say is true, otherwise it's just speculation.

 

It would be funny if they suffer the same mechanical failure in the coming Fuji circuit. I would like to see the look on their faces.

 

What will they say dan? That the thousands of the handphones of the spectators caused the interference?

[Wishcumstrue]

According to Christian's interview in the above link, at least 2 other teams also encountered similar unusual glitches

=> Toro Rosso

[Jonbummer]

from ST:

 

A CLAIM by Formula One team Red Bull that static electricity from an underground train forced Mark Webber out of last month's Singapore Grand Prix has proven to be unfounded.

 

The gearbox on Webber's car tried to select two gears at once when he was at turn 13 on the street circuit, team official Christian Horner was quoted as saying by www.autosport.com

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my guess is the gearbox fails after the car was hitting the ground too vigorously for a long period of time.

[Icekitten]

my guess is the gearbox fails after the car was hitting the ground too vigorously for a long period of time.

 

 

Possible.....

 

After hitting the ground with huge impact multiple times.

[Jonbummer]

they had created the software so that the gearbox will not chnage gears

or something upon impact...

 

but apparently, no one anticipated something Uniquely Singapore!

 

[Shull]

actually..yeah..possible..

 

any current carrying wire(in this case, those MRT tracks) will produce a magnetic field..

 

if the magnetic current is high enough, then the magnetic field might just penetrate to the surface..

 

but again, most electrical components are shielded from such interference..if not, alot of cars will break down at that junction..

Edited October 8, 2008 by Shull

[Arowana1]

juz goes to show ang mohs are blardy sore losers. ferrari and red bull, u rank lower than s_hit in my book!

Edited October 8, 2008 by Arowana1

[Albeniz]

A case of putting the blame on an over-sized swimming trunk.

 

Other cars were using the same track without facing any problem.

Let's just put it as their cars are poorly-designed.

[Watwheels]

http://www.asiaone.com/Motoring/Motorworld...1008-92527.html

 

SMRT rubbishes Red Bull's static claim

 

SINGAPORE - A claim by Formula One team Red Bull that static electricity from an underground train forced Mark Webber out of last month's Singapore Grand Prix has proven to be unfounded.

 

The gearbox on Webber's car tried to select two gears at once when he was at turn 13 on the street circuit, team official Christian Horner was quoted as saying by www.autosport.com

 

He said there was "a momentary electrical surge" at the time.

Mark Webber of Red Bull negotiating S'pore GP's Turn 13.

 

"A tram line runs beneath the track at that corner and it seems as if static from a passing tram at the very moment Mark was in the corner passed through the ground," Horner said.

 

But Singapore's Mass Rapid Transit (SMRT) system said there was no track under turn 13.

 

"There is no MRT track beneath turn 13. The nearest MRT tunnel is about 200 metres away, with a depth of about 10 metres," a spokesperson said Wednesday.

 

"In addition, train wheels and running rails are made of metal and therefore do not generate static electricity charges during train operations."

 

The Australian driver was on course for a podium finish when his car's gearbox broke during Formula One's first-ever night race.

 

I like the reader's comment...Red Bull Sh*t...

Edited October 9, 2008 by Watwheels

[Wishcumstrue]

Don't forget that there are 2 other cars that encounter similar gearbox abnormality around the same location on separate ocassions.

 

200m difference sounds a lot, but at an average 180kph around the turns @ Cricket club, that is only 4 seconds apart.

 

A lot can happen within those period when gears are drop from 4th to 2nd at Turn-13.

 

Also, electromagnetic field coverage from say a high-current cable without shielding, can cover quite a wide area even when buried underground.

 

Alas, it still remains an open question even after MRT's statment.

 

Like I have said, EMI is one valid argument which one cannot writeoff until thorughtly investigated.

[Shull]

IMO, the current carried by the rails so that our trains can run is quite high, such that magnetic field generated by the current should be strong enough to penetrate above the 10m of soil..

 

usually, to shield against these magnetic field, a metal casing is good enough..

 

prob to cut weight, F1 cars uses too many cf parts..which are unable to shield against the field..

[Ghostrider]

Can they prove that EMI is the cause....

 

20 cars started the race....3 crashed out....17 others on the track and it effected only the 2 redbull cars ?

 

Cannot swim dun complain about the swimming pool leh....

 

Its like Roberto Carlos complain about the new soccer ball....say too light hence he cannot do his banana kicks...but other players dun seems to have trouble bending the ball. (I think was WC2000)

[Popok]

aiyah, cannot swim blame the swimming trunks..

[Wishcumstrue]

Can they prove that EMI is the cause....

 

20 cars started the race....3 crashed out....17 others on the track and it effected only the 2 redbull car .

Cannot swim dun complain about the swimming pool leh....

 

 

Proving EMI will take $$$. So who will bare the co$t? SMRT, RB, FIA? What do you think?

So that next best thing is to err on the prevention by the F1 team.

 

Oh, in case you aren't aware, many had attributed recent numerous new worlds swimming records at Beijing Olympic to the Water Cube's pool design.

 

Quote: "It's by far the fastest pool in the world," says Rowdy Gaines, an Olympic medalist and swimming commentator for Olympic broadcaster NBC.

 

"Cannot swim dun complain about the swimming pool " you say? You can't be any more wrong.

[Ghostrider]

Then its NATO lor...They accuse SMRT defends....so now ball back in their court. Its up to them to prove that EMI screw cause them to lose.

 

Might as well say our E2C Hawkeye flew pass and jammed their electronics.