Alfa 159 1.9 JTDM

[Rm2s]

Based on today's papers, the Alfa Romeo 159 with diesel engine is coming. It mentioned that it would be the 1.9L JTDM model.

 

Did not say whether it would be the 16V one or 8V ones.

 

If it is 16V, it will be 150bhp with 320nm of torque. Very good for local road condition.

 

What is great news for me is that it will comes with traditional automatic gearbox, not silly-speed (which I hate). Wooohoooo.

 

With the additional diesel tax of around S$2375. Plus $1090 of regular road tax a year, this works out to be $3465 total tax per year.

 

Would you bite?

[Showtime]

one has to drive a very high annual mileage to offset the 2375 dollars for diesel tax. that amount of money can pay for loads of petrol.

[Miles]

Yes, with $2375, you can pay for almost 1200 litres of petrol.

if consumption is 9km/L, it gives you 10,800km head start over diesel option.

Maintenance wise, diesel engine is also more demanding.

Also, diesel quality outside Singapore is less than ideal. If you have to drive a lot in Malaysia, with their high sulphur diesel, the engine will need more maintenance, and service interval will definitely be shorter.

In addition, the 1.9JTD will definitely cost more upfront than the 2.2 JTS selespeed.

 

On the the other hand, the 1.9JTD returns probably 14-15km/L (base on UK's MPG reading converted to km/L)... nowadays, 1 litre of diesel is only about $0.10 per litre cheaper than RON98.

Breakeven would be if you drive >30,000km a year ...

 

The flip side is, you get more torquey engine and more performance. So, if you consider buying a GTA ... but loathe the FC, the 1.9JTD is a good alternative.

[Damienic]

For those whose milege is at least 2000km/month and above, I say it is well worth to look at the diesel option..for me, I won't bite as my milege usually hovers around 1000-1200km/mth which means the cost will be a lot higher for me if I were to buy the diesel option..

 

If you hate the sillyspeed, Alfa is currently developing their own DSG kind of gearbox similar to the VW group. It is slated for release sometime in mid 2009 and onwards. But of cos, if you intend to change car this yr, then maybe you can't wait tat long..

[Damienic]

your breakdown is not wrong except that diesel gives approx 30% more milege than petrol..if you factor this in (plus give a bit of buffer also), maybe breakeven would be 24000-25000km a yr instead of 30,000km..

[Fcw75]

No, diesel ain't exactly cheap nowadays. Plus if you frequent malaysia, I dun tink the diesel there is suitable for Euro 4 engine due to it's high sulphur content. Who knows what will happen in the long run?

 

Not forgetting, LTA didn't mentioned if diesel passenger car will be subjected to yearly inspection or not. I have a feeling there will be. The emission test is a pain in the arse.

Edited August 2, 2008 by Fcw75

[Miles]

i mentioned JTS FC 9km/L

JTD approx 14-15km/L

 

i think that's more than 50% which is on hypothetical side.

 

in real world, i dont know...

[Damienic]

sorry, my bad. I miss tat sentence.

[Felipe]

diesel engine more demanding? i see all those old taxi and buses all still running strong. those old trucks and vans too.

[Torquelover]

Hi,

 

I was at EA this afternoon to collect my car in for servicing. Met up with the sales person. He mentioned that the JTD will only make sense if you drive more than 30K per year.

 

On request, he fired up the car and that was it (for me at least). The engine sounded like a typical diesel (aka taxi like) with all the tapping sound. . By the way, the 1.9JTD comes with an auto gearbox (should be good for those who dont like selespeed or manual)

 

Cheers

[Felipe]

agree, alfas should be petrol. diesel just doesnt suit the high revving nature of the engine. btw i figure EA dont bring in the 1.9 petrol cos its only manual.

[Ftco]

Can't agree more that Alfa's high revving nature goes well only with petrol. However, the diesel version seem to be more popular in the U.K market as I observe on Alfaowner forum. Then again that is a different market.

 

When I was down at EA last week, the service advisor did mentioned that the diesel engine noise is loud like jipun taxi , and not quiet like a merc cab.

Edited August 6, 2008 by Ftco

[Felipe]

even the petrol engine noise is loud, dont talk about diesel. but at least petrol engine noise is sweet throaty roar. the best engine note in its class.

[Sturtles]

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Based on today's papers, the Alfa Romeo 159 with diesel engine is coming. It mentioned that it would be the 1.9L JTDM model.

 

Did not say whether it would be the 16V one or 8V ones.

 

If it is 16V, it will be 150bhp with 320nm of torque. Very good for local road condition.

 

What is great news for me is that it will comes with traditional automatic gearbox, not silly-speed (which I hate). Wooohoooo.

 

With the additional diesel tax of around S$2375. Plus $1090 of regular road tax a year, this works out to be $3465 total tax per year.

 

Would you bite?

 

 

 

 

Well, people who are interested should be aware the new 1.9L JTD will be round the corner

 

 

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2007/06/fiat-...tage-turbo.html

 

 

 

 

TECHNICAL SPECIFICATION

 

* Cylinders In-line 4

* Displacement 1910 cc

* Bore x Stroke 82 x 90.4 mm

* Compression ratio 16.5:1

* Valves per cyl. 4

* Max Power 132 kW (177 hp) @ 4000 rpm / 140 kW (188 hp) @ 4000 rpm

* Torque 400 Nm @ 2000 rpm

* Inj. System MultiJet common-rail, 1600 bar

* Emissions Compliance with projected Euro 5

* Supercharging Twin Stage Turbocharger, with waste-gate system

* Mass (Din

Edited August 7, 2008 by Sturtles

[Ftco]

I find it hard to accept a diesel Alfa despite its strong low end torque. Alfa petrol engines are so revvy and sounds good at the top end and these two characteristics just make Alfa fun!

[Rm2s]

Guys, it is inevitable that Alfa will have to offer diesel variant of all their models. In Europe, if a car company has limited engine range, their sales also suffers. Just look at Lexus, it is almost non-existence when I last visited Germany.

 

The BMW 2.0 valvetronic and Audi/VW FSI are all having that tapping sound. As long as the insulation is good, this can be accepted. Also, as in all cars, the key must be the drivability of the car, if 1.9JTDM drives well, I think it is worth considering.

[Mingsect]

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i mentioned JTS FC 9km/L

JTD approx 14-15km/L

 

i think that's more than 50% which is on hypothetical side.

 

in real world, i dont know...

 

 

possible.

 

locally the fiat doblo ( prefacelift version)

are running on the 1.9 jtd for 3-4 years alreadi

8v 105bhp 200nm torque

coupled with a 5 speed manual gear box, kerb weight of abt 1.3ton

averaging 15-18 km/litre of diesel easily .. mixture of city/highway

Edited August 8, 2008 by Mingsect

[Miles]

but the Doblo is lighter (i think kerb weight only 1200kg? ) than 159 (kerb weight at least 1450kg)

 

so, FC will also not be as good as Doblo.