Stop dreaming! HHO does not work

[5936]

That is interesting.

Hope your personal experience is successful.

Remember to bring bottles of water and lye wter( if your kit requires).

 

 

[5936]

Do you get water when you put 2 x H & 1 x O in the engine?

[Perrier]

Do you get water when you put 2 x H & 1 x O in the engine?

 

You should really google up more on fuel cell car and its byproduct. But an easier way is to youtube for the Honda advertisement that was screen in singapore, it does mentioned the byproduct produced.

[5936]

HHO injection dont work.

 

You need hundreds LPM of air for engine. HHO kit only LPM. Personnally ratio far too.

 

I know Honda uses water mist not HHO.

 

If you have the web add please share

[Mini-itx]

HHO injection dont work.

 

You need hundreds LPM of air for engine. HHO kit only LPM. Personnally ratio far too.

 

I know Honda uses water mist not HHO.

 

If you have the web add please share

 

I think Honda uses water mist to cool the air rather than for combustion purpose right? Just like those water injection kits.

 

[Perrier]

I think the HHO comunity is not talking about generating HHO gas to take over gasoline ( doing so will need a very huge generator maybe bigger that your car engine ) . They are saying by mixing a small amount of HHO gas with the gasoline , we get a more efficent combustion , which result in a better mpg . Some claim up to 20% to 40% saving . Instead of spending $20/= getting some fuel additive , they are producing the fuel additive using simple HHO system that cost about few hundreds bucks only .

Work or not work ? Scientist say no , stupid layman say yes , I say I dont know . But anyway I have purchase a system from USA for my own experimnet . Will post result , after my experiment on my car.

Please dont shoot me , I may be just another stupid layman , kana con by these HHO seller .

Anyway here is quite a interesting link :-

http://current.com/news-and-politics/89072...rd-hauk-hho.htm

People who installed HHO claim that HHO gas actually help to burn your engine cleaner and cooler. Some claim that their engine oil remain clean after 2 months of runing .

Let me complete my experiment first and let you guys know after I try it .

Regard , and keep ideals flowing .........

Oh yes some scientist may also be stupid , that spend whole life in the lab and die a poor scientist , also got some poor layman make a simple geat discovery and turn millionaire !

 

wats the production rate for your kit? 2L/H? be careful with those that produce higher rate cos you will need to retard your ingition timing.

 

remember to get a bubbler if your kit doesn't comes with it.

 

pls don't use baking soda as a lye replacement.

Edited June 4, 2010 by Perrier

[Yattokame]

Its not the same but its similar.

 

HHO is basically mixing 2 x H2 and 1 x O2 and combust them. Hydrogen is pump H2 directly into the engine. Since there is O2 in the air, you will still get H2 and O2 combustion.

 

 

 

 

No textbooks in the world will have an equation for combustion of oxygen. That is because there is no such thing.

 

You mix hydrogen and oxygen, burn or spark, you get water. Period. oxygen is an ingredient for all combustion reactions. that is why u cannot combust oxygen.

 

Until now, nobody has shown the structure of HHO; simply because it violates basic quantum mechanics (unless you tell me it is produced in the point of singularity of a black hole). Like i said, show me the structure before I believe there is such a thing.

 

That is the basis of science.

 

As for fuel cell and this HHO thing, in the case of the former there is NO combustion in a hydrogen fuel cell. The process makes use of electricity to drive a redox reaction to form water, using either acid or alkali as the electrolyte. The end. Can be found in high school chemistry textbooks all over the world.

Edited June 4, 2010 by Yattokame

[Jasonjst]

wats the production rate for your kit? 2L/H? be careful with those that produce higher rate cos you will need to retard your ingition timing.

 

remember to get a bubbler if your kit doesn't comes with it.

 

pls don't use baking soda as a lye replacement.

 

Hi ,

My is 3LPM but I think can be adjust down using the PWM , kit come with everything including the bubbler and EFIE. Sound like you try it before ? Does it work ? I have not try mine yet .

You seem to sugest less HHO gas is better ? Pleople here are saying needs few 100LPM of HHO gas to be effective ?

Thanks

[Perrier]

HHO injection dont work.

 

You need hundreds LPM of air for engine. HHO kit only LPM. Personnally ratio far too.

 

I know Honda uses water mist not HHO.

 

If you have the web add please share

 

Nope you won't get water by putting HHO gas into the engine. I was referring to fuel cell car.

 

Sorry for the confusion, I misinterpret that statement.

 

At present, it is almost impossible to replace petrol with HHO totally, technology is not there yet.

 

I have tried but can't find the exact commercial so I replaced it with this (different technology to HHO).

 

Link

 

 

[Mini-itx]

Nope you won't get water by putting HHO gas into the engine. I was referring to fuel cell car.

 

Sorry for the confusion, I misinterpret that statement.

 

At present, it is almost impossible to replace petrol with HHO totally, technology is not there yet.

 

I have tried but can't find the exact commercial so I replaced it with this (different technology to HHO).

 

Link

 

Whoo... fuel cell car!!

[Hermitage]

In the first place, what is this HHO for? An alternative fuel, or something to make your car go faster? Sorry I have not been to school!!

[Genie47]

Check out the Honda Clarity FCX.

 

There is a Top Gear Youtube vid on it.

[Perrier]

Hi ,

My is 3LPM but I think can be adjust down using the PWM , kit come with everything including the bubbler and EFIE. Sound like you try it before ? Does it work ? I have not try mine yet .

You seem to sugest less HHO gas is better ? Pleople here are saying needs few 100LPM of HHO gas to be effective ?

Thanks

 

Modern car has 2 oxygen sensors in the exhaust normally. A cleaner burn means there will be less oxygen out from the exhaust, your ECU will misinterpret that as a lack of air. Thus it will open your throttle more and your whole fuel map will be screwed up meaning your ECU will pump in more fuel unless you remap your ECU to burn leaner. It means you could be using more fuel.

 

Also because hydrogen is highly combustible and has a lower flash point than fuel, it will burn faster than your petrol. Your ignition timing is based on burning of petrol so your piston will not be at its optimized position when your hydrogen burns so you will need to retard your ignition timing.

 

I think for adaptation purposes, water injection is an easier way to implement here but not too useful for NA cars. I don't know of any workshop that can perform such complicated modification on car to adapt HHO efficiently.

 

I am not saying less gas is better but it will take a lot more modification and $$ to actually make use of that high production rate. Also, your booster will tend to be hotter if you are producing more gas as more power will be used.

 

I suggest you better measure the production rate before you actually hook it up on your car. you will to make sure the proportion of your lye mixture is good. distilled water won't work as well.

 

Finally I hope you really know what you are doing or has a workshop that knows what to do. I didn't do it because I am not prepared to spend that effort and $$.

[Perrier]

Check out the Honda Clarity FCX.

 

There is a Top Gear Youtube vid on it.

 

Its in the link I provided above.

[Jasonjst]

Firstly, some chemistry should you all forget everything from school. Those who have not been to school, I'm your teacher today. Learn.

 

Water is made of 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen atom. Hence H2O.

 

They way they are covalently bonded is in an angle. The H are 60 deg between them and 300 deg on the other. This bond is very stable. Nothng can break it easily. Passing an electric current will not even break them apart.

 

Why is it so difficult? What is so stable cannot be made unstable easily. All these three atoms forming the water molecule is very stable electrically. An equilibrium state that is unmatched for a common substance. The electrons from hydrogen allow the oxygen to be more or less neutral. Electrons on the hydrogen travel so fast around it that it also makes the hydrogen more or less neutral as well.

 

The net effect is a tiny "delta" charge. Oxygen has a tiny delta negative and the hydrogens have a tiny delta positive. This by itself also lends stability to water. A water molecule forms "loose" hydrogen bonds (electron induced attraction forces) with another water molecule. The delta negative from oxygen attracting to the delta positive of the hydrogen. BTW, it is the hydrogen that is donating its charge to the oxygen.

 

So there is a 3 dimensional charge network in liquid water. This is stronger when you freeze water and this attraction charge pulls them all together which makes ice very hard.

 

This charge difference also makes water a solvent. These delta charges enables it to "dissolve" salt which is NaCl. Water pulls these apart using its delta charges to dissolve ionic substance.

 

So you cannot separate water to its individual components for combustion. HHO is basically water vapor. You are actually doing water injection into cars. To separate water into its atomic components of hydrogen and water, you need electrolysis. Then hydrogen combustion is fraught with a lot of engineering problems as well for gasoline powered ICE. Not a problem for diesel ICE.

 

Why? Diesel burns very slow. Ignited by detonation of air/fuel.

 

It is precisely this problem that makes it a good candidate for hydrogen or propane injection. Now there is even CNG injection. That is why diesel ICE can go for dual fuel systems and opposed to bifuel for gasoline ICE.

 

In dual fuel mode with hydrogen, propane or CNG, the burn is faster, harder and you get more power and better fuel economy.

 

Gasoline ICE is different. We don't want fast. We want slow. Detonation is good for diesel but bad for gasoline. Remember, high octane fuel burns slow.

 

You add hydrogen to gasoline and you make it quicker......badaboom! Back in the 80s, there was a hydrogen as ICE fuel documentary. The engineers got a huge problem and they have to solve it with water injectionn to eliminate the knocking. Yes, the same method used by methanol racers and even the siao turbo enthusiasts today.

 

In short all you peole here. Don't do what you don't understand. Concluding:

 

1. Water as a fuel is a scam because HHO is basically water vapor. You are just doing water injection.

 

2. To separate water to hydrogen and oxygen gas, you need electrolysis. Lots of pressure, power, everything. If you see videos of HHO systems, you will see there is no connection to the battery. Scam!

 

3. To use hydrogen as a combustive fuel runs counter to everything a gasoline ICE needs. If you have a diesel, great for you.

 

What he say is damn boring but do you guys belived him ? Please see all 3 parts

 

 

Regards

 

 

 

[Jasonjst]

http://www.ronnmotors.com/cms/index.php?op...&Itemid=101

 

High end car marker fitted their sport car with HHO system ?

[Jasonjst]

http://www.ronnmotors.com/cms/index.php?op...&Itemid=110

 

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[Mini-itx]

No textbooks in the world will have an equation for combustion of oxygen. That is because there is no such thing.

 

You mix hydrogen and oxygen, burn or spark, you get water. Period. oxygen is an ingredient for all combustion reactions. that is why u cannot combust oxygen.

 

Until now, nobody has shown the structure of HHO; simply because it violates basic quantum mechanics (unless you tell me it is produced in the point of singularity of a black hole). Like i said, show me the structure before I believe there is such a thing.

 

That is the basis of science.

 

As for fuel cell and this HHO thing, in the case of the former there is NO combustion in a hydrogen fuel cell. The process makes use of electricity to drive a redox reaction to form water, using either acid or alkali as the electrolyte. The end. Can be found in high school chemistry textbooks all over the world.

 

sorry if I have confused you but I am not talking about combustion of O2. I am talking about combustion of H2 and O2 to form water.

 

HHO is just another name for Brown's gas. Thats all. HHO is a mixture of H2 and O2 in the ratio of 2:1, thats all. Its not a compound.