Nanoball

[Amortifiedpenguin]

Thanks for explaining man! But mostly I catch no ball! But interesting anyway, what if the person in mention installs a piggyback ECU and goes for tuning? Will that solve the problem and restore optimum performance?

 

well, unless you have modded your car alot, then you'll need to go for piggyback and tuning. but for normal stock cars i dont think its necessary. but for yours, (weird parts and all) i think it maybe a good idea. it will so-called optimize the capabilities of your car giving it better performance and even FC.

 

its like a guy with a very good body but does not know how to use it. so you put some mind control thing on his head and it tells him what to do with the body. but if the body is not much to begin with, there isnt much to be improved.

[Osiris]

anyway, even if someone don't get the $$ explanation, the simple one is this

Car makers like Toyota and Honda are spending R&D dollars in making their cars more Fuel efficient.

If a "drop in" product out there can improve FC by up to 10-20%, it saves them millions in R&D

 

What's the cost of buying, trying and testing the product? thousands of $$? do you think they won't do it?

Vs R&D tinkering to get the same results that amts to millions.

 

The other side of the coin. If I invented a 'drop in' that w/o a doubt improve FC by 10-20% (not a snake oil)

Who do you think I will approach to sell my product?

I will be so bold that I go to Toyota and say look, this is great stuff, let me pay for all the testing on all your cars, if you are convinced we talk business.

 

Toyota plans to sell close to 10m cars in 2008.

 

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/26/toyotas...n-cars-in-2008/

 

Say they only sell 5m cars & my profit for such product is just $10/piece after all expenses.

That's a cool $50m. after that maybe they copy my design and never buy from me again.

But still I already make $50M.

 

Do you think I will spending my time trying to sell to individuals?

[Hermitage]

Whoa bro Osiris, what you say is very very true! Never thought about it that way...think I can understand this better than the one with all the dollars & cents thing! Thanks!!

[Kb27]

Well, if they can't sell to Toyota, they would try to sell to fools.

 

A fool and his money are soon departed.

 

 

[Osiris]

For those who really want to save $$ on fuel, there's a proven mod.

JB

[Smhomie]

anyway, even if someone don't get the $$ explanation, the simple one is this

Car makers like Toyota and Honda are spending R&D dollars in making their cars more Fuel efficient.

If a "drop in" product out there can improve FC by up to 10-20%, it saves them millions in R&D

 

What's the cost of buying, trying and testing the product? thousands of $$? do you think they won't do it?

Vs R&D tinkering to get the same results that amts to millions.

 

The other side of the coin. If I invented a 'drop in' that w/o a doubt improve FC by 10-20% (not a snake oil)

Who do you think I will approach to sell my product?

I will be so bold that I go to Toyota and say look, this is great stuff, let me pay for all the testing on all your cars, if you are convinced we talk business.

 

Toyota plans to sell close to 10m cars in 2008.

 

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/26/toyotas...n-cars-in-2008/

 

Say they only sell 5m cars & my profit for such product is just $10/piece after all expenses.

That's a cool $50m. after that maybe they copy my design and never buy from me again.

But still I already make $50M.

 

Do you think I will spending my time trying to sell to individuals?

 

 

True what you said. There are many supporting parts industries and players who have followed Toyota and made good money throughout the years, most became listed companies. Toyota doesn't produce its own parts per se, contract manufacturing given to parts suppliers and Toyota assembles the complete car at plants.

 

R&D proportioning is more towards suppliers side. Toyota does not spend 'alot' contrary to popular belief. However, the goal of each auto maker is to assemble a complete car which mass market would accept and priced competitively. Most of the times, there are inadequacies found within the end product which they do not wish to address. The cost would be prohibitive in large scale terms. Competition also depresses selling price and hence manufacturing costs.

 

They can increase FC but they won't. Its the supply chain which props consumerism that determines mass production in a certain direction. Aftermarket products come into the picture to fill up inadequacies which manufacturers do not wish to plug up.

 

Eg. A stock Ferrari should be the most powerful production rolled off from plant logically, but GruppeM and Novitec have further improved the performance and reliability of the car itself.... Why? Doesn't make sense since Ferrari R&D would be the 'best' in business with F1 knowledge and loyal customers with the deepest pockets or maybe there is a cheaper way currently to make a full carbon fibre body shell but Toyota simply do not wish to promote it, their metal foundry or sheet stamping business would go bust. Another concern is that would anyone want to pay a 40-70% premium price as an end user? (confirm carbon fibre would increase FC permanently by 20% or more because of weight saving and using a relatively smaller cc engine)

 

I don't think it would be fair to derail aftermarket products as they do have a place and role to play (assuming they are indeed good products): there will always be market divide and perception divide.

 

Only problem is that most aftermarket products fall short of consumers' expectations with their wild claims

 

[Osiris]

I agree with you

But my comments is reserved for 'cheap' FC mods. Which very often is purely snake oil. If 2 pcs of magnet can improve FC of up to 20% as claimed. the magnets are not expensive to incorporate to production.

[Smhomie]

Agree with your reasoning Cheap mods that improve FC wouldn't be cheap in the first place if its so effective.

 

We just hope more folks would wise up to 'cheap' mods true properties.

 

Broquet is one expensive mod that has no principle behind it. If you look more micro into it ie. top fueller bullet, you will notice that the canister acts as a fuel reservoir not unlike those used in modded track cars.

 

Why people think they have a better mileage has absolutely nothing to do with the zeolite pellets in it. More on the pressure differentiation within the fuel ines being altered, hence the fuel delivery rate has changed a little [lipsrsealed] ..... fluid dynamics at work.

 

I don't need to pay $$$$ for an aluminium canister.....

Edited July 30, 2009 by Smhomie

[Ak7887]

Pump - 10

Date - 14-Jul

km indicated - 15669

Distance Travelled - 517.50

Fuel Pumped (L) - 53.72

FC (km/L) - 9.63

11

Pump - 17-Jul

Date - 15896

km indicated - 226.80

Distance Travelled - 25.01

Fuel Pumped (L) - 9.07

FC (km/L) - pumped in JB

 

Pump - 12

Date - 24-Jul

km indicated - 16382

Distance Travelled - 486.20

Fuel Pumped (L) - 57.66

FC (km/L) - 8.43

 

Pump - 13

Date - 29-Jul

km indicated - 16858

Distance Travelled - 475.70

Fuel Pumped (L) - 53.63

FC (km/L) - 8.87

 

Pump - TOTAL

Date -

km indicated -

Distance Travelled - 5793.50

Fuel Pumped (L) - 634.59

FC (km/L) - 9.13

 

 

Edited July 30, 2009 by Ak7887

[Ak7887]

Hi all, its been busy lately. But as promised, I have not forgotten to keep track of my FC using nanoballs. So here's the latest report and probably my LAST one on this topic. I think I can fairly say that the trial has been given a fair amount of time and it should reflect accurately on the effects on my Touran. For the past (almost) 2 months running on nanoballs, I have been using 95 octane (except for once when I pumped in KL). Also, I have probably demo-ed most type of driving patterns... city driving, highway, N-S highway, Genting uphill/downhill etc. Also, I pumped all my fuel at night.

 

Well, here's the final result shown at the bottom after 14 pump visits. FC = 9.13km/L. It is slightly worse off than pre-nanoball days, which is rather disappointing . Although there is a slight improvement in pickup, machiam using 98 octane, nanoball used in my Touran, did not lived up to its name.... of saving fuel. In fact, if I take away those FC done during my KL trips, the FC could have been worse!

 

Could it be nanoballs are not suitable for my Touran? Or VW? Or conti cars? We'll never know.

 

There is also one observation..... my fuel tank in many times does not seem to be able to show FULL tank. It is always slightly below FULL, even if I pump enough petrol flows out of my tank. Its strange.

 

Anyway, will be considering whether to remove those balls and maybe thinking of trying BROQUET.

 

Anyone wants to sponsor me for a fair trial??

 

Thanks for TUNING in guys!!

 

 

 

 

Pump - 10

Date - 14-Jul

km indicated - 15669

Distance Travelled - 517.50

Fuel Pumped (L) - 53.72

FC (km/L) - 9.63

11

Pump - 17-Jul

Date - 15896

km indicated - 226.80

Distance Travelled - 25.01

Fuel Pumped (L) - 9.07

FC (km/L) - pumped in JB

 

Pump - 12

Date - 24-Jul

km indicated - 16382

Distance Travelled - 486.20

Fuel Pumped (L) - 57.66

FC (km/L) - 8.43

 

Pump - 13

Date - 29-Jul

km indicated - 16858

Distance Travelled - 475.70

Fuel Pumped (L) - 53.63

FC (km/L) - 8.87

 

Pump - TOTAL

Date -

km indicated -

Distance Travelled - 5793.50

Fuel Pumped (L) - 634.59

FC (km/L) - 9.13

 

[Eyke]

products marketed with pseudo-science can safely be regarded as money-wasting snake-oil.

[Plim72]

stop wasting money doing such mod..if you really wish to save petrol, service your car at a shorter interval, throw away unwanted stuff in your boot, check tires pressure and go light on right foot and accept the fact that your car's weigh is already a disadvantage

[Amortifiedpenguin]

no sponsor for you but i'll be listening in to the results. =)

[Ak7887]

stop wasting money doing such mod..if you really wish to save petrol, service your car at a shorter interval, throw away unwanted stuff in your boot, check tires pressure and go light on right foot and accept the fact that your car's weigh is already a disadvantage

 

Just joking really and hoping to get a freebie from sponsors who totally believe that their product works. Enough said... cos no one will sponsor me this trial...

Edited August 1, 2009 by Ak7887

[Yc86]

so if it doesn't work, can get money back? Or can at least remove it from the fuel tank??

 

Should do up a full report with all these pics, and publish it in some magazine. =x

[Spidercool]

My sunny MT has nanoball installed since Jun08 and now am into 52 tanks.

My driving style has changed from light footer to more heavy footer and speed increasing usually to avg abt 110km/hr as compared to previously gd boy avg abt 90-95km/hr. Partly due to early morning acting as a family taxi rushing children to school and speeding to work, especially since this Jan.

 

Having monitoring all fuel pumped and km travelled. I got that discipline to date to generate a chart. This chart gave me an overall view of car health monitoring and after the nanoball installed.

 

Do bear in mind that i've stated I'm more on heavy footer and a faster driver now. But the FCs are still relatively above my expectation.

 

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Petrol.pdf

[Topaz]

Thanks for all the reviews n sharing, after reading them, decide not to go ahead wif installing the nanoballs, seems like it is not worth the investment at all.

[Kangadrool]

Do bear in mind that i've stated I'm more on heavy footer and a faster driver now. But the FCs are still relatively above my expectation.

 

Too light footer may not necessary mean lower FC. The engine could be labouring at low rpm. Need to find the sweet spot for your type of car. Generally, I find that prolonged holding of engine speed < 2K rpm for a < 1.6L car is usually bad for engine and cause bad FC.