Showtime Neutral Newbie March 4, 2008 Share March 4, 2008 (edited) I've noticed that many junctions are now employing the above. Can't see how this is advantageous over the normal "turn if there is no on coming traffic" system. It simply makes it mandatory to wait for the green arrow. what are your thoughts? Edited March 4, 2008 by Showtime ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzomatrix 2nd Gear March 4, 2008 Share March 4, 2008 i see drivers driving thru red arrows when there are no approaching vehicles as they tot the light reflects green. I think they didnt notice the arrows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zcold 2nd Gear March 4, 2008 Share March 4, 2008 it is used as sometimes the opposite traffic is heavy/fast and coming from a slope.. causing the line of sight of the right turning vehicle to be less that a certain distance... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zcold 2nd Gear March 4, 2008 Share March 4, 2008 guess i forgot to elaborate on the heavy traffic part.. when say the northbound and southbound traffic are heavier than the east and west ones... and at the same time there is a lot of vehicles turning right from the northbound one... it makes sense to 'release' these right turning veh first .. i.e. northbound green + right turn green only.... then u need to put a red arrow to stop the right turn veh to let the southbound ones go ... then lastly only right turn green for north and south bounds... in this way u prevent the build up of right turn veh in the northbound direction as compared to the conventional system... theses trafficlight timings/plannin are done based on the peak hour traffic situation... hence sometimes it may appear illogical during non-peak.... hope that helps Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showtime Neutral Newbie March 4, 2008 Author Share March 4, 2008 wow. thanks for the explanation. perhaps the nature of the junction plays a part too. like how many lanes are dedicated to turn right etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kb27 Supersonic March 4, 2008 Share March 4, 2008 Stupid LTA, some have, some don't have red arrow. Confused the hell out of motorists...and cause more opportunity for accidents. I've seen many that jump the lane, bcoz they are not familiar with that junction..including me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zcold 2nd Gear March 4, 2008 Share March 4, 2008 yeps.. they definately do.. if u noticed.. most junctions that hav the right turn red-green arrows (due to heavy traffic) have 2 or more lanes.. so try to reduce build up both ways... e.g. thomson road RT to newton rd in front of velocity & alexandra rd RT to jln bukit merah rd in front of queensway shopping centre... there was once when i kena stuck in jam turning right form thomson rd to newton road... took me 15 mins to clear tt junction... cos the lights were spoilt... although there were like 4-5 TP there directing traffic... still jam.. cos the mata were kinda using the conventional light timings logic... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megaweb Clutched March 4, 2008 Share March 4, 2008 (edited) Quote i see drivers driving thru red arrows when there are no approaching vehicles as they tot the light reflects green. I think they didnt notice the arrows. Sigh .. I was 1 of them sometime back. I was driving along buona vista and was turning right to commonweath west. I drove while red arrow light up at the junction. My wife alerted me and I stopped at the junction. Mange to let the opposite traffic cars passed and then proceed turned right see the map at (direction is from bottom to right) http://www.streetdirectory.com/asia_travel...7882407&level=6 What's a scary experience ! Edited March 4, 2008 by Megaweb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kb27 Supersonic March 4, 2008 Share March 4, 2008 Just so happen I did the same thing at the same junction last Thursday. There were messy construction and rerouting of lanes under the mrt track. I saw the green light and start to turn right. One car coming across did not stop, lucky I jam brake and let it pass. Then I realized that there is supposed to a red arrow hidden somewhere I can't see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megaweb Clutched March 4, 2008 Share March 4, 2008 (edited) Quote Just so happen I did the same thing at the same junction last Thursday. There were messy construction and rerouting of lanes under the mrt track. I saw the green light and start to turn right. One car coming across did not stop, lucky I jam brake and let it pass. Then I realized that there is supposed to a red arrow hidden somewhere I can't see. hmm .. mine is different. I saw parallel traffic was going to turn RED light and got ready my car to go. While awaiting for green arrow, red arrow light appeared instead of green. But too late, my car was on the way .... Edited March 4, 2008 by Megaweb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ender Hypersonic March 4, 2008 Share March 4, 2008 When I 1st got my car, very kayu. Red Arrow I still go forward and readied myself to turn once oncoming is clear. I was wondering why the taxi driver behind didn;t follow me to go forward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qpik Supercharged March 4, 2008 Share March 4, 2008 Hmm...1st thots, you never do a search on topic cos this was brought up before On a serious note, LTA who put it up have assumed that drivers in Spore have judgement problems. So, they placed it there to prevent accidents but whose knows we have a very low percentage of judgement-impaired road users on the roads. Instead of preventing, they create more. This red turn arrow is useful on heavy flow traffic, on roads where visibility is an issue or where statistics have proven alot of vehicles beating the red lights but not on ulu roads. Been advised that if you turn when oncoming traffic is clear, it is as good as beating a red light. So, be careful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shull Turbocharged March 4, 2008 Share March 4, 2008 Quote guess i forgot to elaborate on the heavy traffic part.. when say the northbound and southbound traffic are heavier than the east and west ones... and at the same time there is a lot of vehicles turning right from the northbound one... it makes sense to 'release' these right turning veh first .. i.e. northbound green + right turn green only.... then u need to put a red arrow to stop the right turn veh to let the southbound ones go ... then lastly only right turn green for north and south bounds... in this way u prevent the build up of right turn veh in the northbound direction as compared to the conventional system... theses trafficlight timings/plannin are done based on the peak hour traffic situation... hence sometimes it may appear illogical during non-peak.... hope that helps 1 very good example is the junction of Upp Bt Timah/Woodlands Rd and Bt Panjang Rd @ Ten Mile Junction..forever heavy traffic one.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigtoothpick 3rd Gear March 5, 2008 Share March 5, 2008 like what one bro said, one reason is becos there's history of frequent accidents for right-turning vehicles. Just outside my place here there's one junction like that, so now there's a red-turn arrow. Basically RED means STOP, so the thing is, most people with common sense would understand how it works, but not everyone's mind works that way or fast enough... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megaweb Clutched March 5, 2008 Share March 5, 2008 (edited) Quote like what one bro said, one reason is becos there's history of frequent accidents for right-turning vehicles. Just outside my place here there's one junction like that, so now there's a red-turn arrow. Basically RED means STOP, so the thing is, most people with common sense would understand how it works, but not everyone's mind works that way or fast enough... Yes, red means stop. But the red right turn arrow lights up upon parallel/opposite traffic stop. This will cause confusion. It should light up all times and disappear when the traffic is ready to go. Edited March 5, 2008 by Megaweb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbsm Neutral Newbie March 5, 2008 Share March 5, 2008 The junction at geylang east ave 2 ( Coming from the monastry, hindu temple) there is NO GREEN RIGHT TURN at this junction. Just the green. If you wait by moving towards right, then the amber comes and then RED. You dont have any time to turn right if vehicle comes from oppposite until the amber..is it a known mistake? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kb27 Supersonic March 5, 2008 Share March 5, 2008 It's one of those guessing junction...thanks to LTA. If you don't move, you get horned. If you move, you may jump a red arrow light. We have to wait for more accidents before the sleeping LTA wakes up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbsm Neutral Newbie March 5, 2008 Share March 5, 2008 There is no RED ARROW or GREEN ARROW. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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