Leepee 1st Gear February 27, 2008 Share February 27, 2008 Just want to know what makes Brembo such a good braking system. Even Lexus IS-F proudly claimed to use Brembo brakes. Brake pads material and brake disc are easily copied right? The braking force is determined by the oil pressure on the pads and disc. The modulating feel is thru the various proportional valves. 4pots or 6pots, not rocket science for most car companies right? Material of pads are no secrets either. Most companies can reverse-engineer those from Brembo/leading brands easily. Why can't Lexus/Toyota itself make its own superior braking system? Why it chose to use Brembo for IS-F? ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furrynadz 5th Gear February 27, 2008 Share February 27, 2008 only the callipers not the pads and rotors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider 3rd Gear February 27, 2008 Share February 27, 2008 Its all about cost. Out sourcing components to people who can produce effective manufacturing. Lots of other company makes good brakes too....like StopTec, Winner Power, AP, Endless etc... How they market themselves is also important. By using reputable company products, seller can leverage and use it as a selling point. eg....computers manufacturer can also build a effective CPU....but they use Intel cos they only makes chip (making them cost effective) and use it as a leverage to sell their products. On the topic of brakes...the larger the rotor...the better the cooling and larger surface area to grip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watwheels Supersonic February 27, 2008 Share February 27, 2008 It's just a more established name. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friendstar Supercharged February 27, 2008 Share February 27, 2008 simple Brembo has aready established itself so well in the racing arena for many years. Marketing ---> even if lexus is so confident of producing their own superior braking system, they know their target audience would still prefer to have "brembo" calipers with its distinctive red calipers. Would u, say a boy racer, prefer to have Lexus Superior Brakes or Brembo Brakes? This is brembo's marketing ingenuity. Research & Money ---> Also, researching on superior braking system is exorbitant. Even with the backing of powerhouse parent Toyota, there's simply no need to develop it since lexus can easily outsource it to brembo, who has a wealth of experience in high performance braking. Economics ---> If u study econs, u'll know that specialization is best for productivity. Lexus has all along been known for Quietness, refinement, good engines, handling etc. Hence, they should just specialize on those areas and leave the hassle of superior brakes development to other specialist companies, eg Brembo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friendstar Supercharged February 27, 2008 Share February 27, 2008 All the brakes u mentioned sounds like pirated brakes haha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu 1st Gear February 27, 2008 Share February 27, 2008 Endless and St Wangan's AP Brakes are highly rated... not to mention pricey... If I'm not wrong, the basic AP set cost about $4k? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friendstar Supercharged February 27, 2008 Share February 27, 2008 no la i'm not doubting any one here i'm just saying those names arent as nice as BREMBO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu 1st Gear February 27, 2008 Share February 27, 2008 i think "St Wangan AP" sounds cool ... hahahaha! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowFlash Clutched February 27, 2008 Share February 27, 2008 think endless and AP Racing are pretty similar to brembo, no idea why most OEM performance car comes with brembo instead, ...maybe its more cost effective? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niteblu Neutral Newbie February 27, 2008 Share February 27, 2008 Why can't Lexus/Toyota itself make its own superior braking system?Why it chose to use Brembo for IS-F? It's all about who does the best job, at the most efficient price. Notice that the IS-F proudly claims to use Brembos. But the actual brakes are NOT branded Brembo. They're branded IS-F. For the simple reason. Yes. given enough time & research Lexus could manufacture just as good brakes. But if they invest in R&D & capital investment in machinery. Especially if their brand is on the line. the brakes end up costing ALOT more than if they just bought Brembos off the shelf. Think. If you're a company, with fixed resources. Would you buy it. Or make it? I think the answer becomes obvious. You need to spend some time understanding the manfacturing process. For any product. It's not quite as simple as it seems. Most companies always use components from other companies. that 1) Do it better 2) Do it faster 3) Do it cheaper it's common sense really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider 3rd Gear February 27, 2008 Share February 27, 2008 Lots of brakes system can kick Brembo arse in stopping power. Prodrive, AP & Endless Evo/WRX equipped cars have out brake Brembo STi/Evo at Sepang. I personally tried Prodrive & AP brakes before...and they rock !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearoil 1st Gear February 27, 2008 Share February 27, 2008 Just want to know what makes Brembo such a good braking system.Even Lexus IS-F proudly claimed to use Brembo brakes. Brake pads material and brake disc are easily copied right? The braking force is determined by the oil pressure on the pads and disc. The modulating feel is thru the various proportional valves. 4pots or 6pots, not rocket science for most car companies right? Material of pads are no secrets either. Most companies can reverse-engineer those from Brembo/leading brands easily. Why can't Lexus/Toyota itself make its own superior braking system? Why it chose to use Brembo for IS-F? They are not so good in terms of outstanding quality compared to other brake manufacturer. The good here implies the specifications of the brake system and the misleading idea that becos they are used in Racing applications they are superior but if you were to compare to other high end brake maufacturer, then they might not be that superior! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safetyfirst Clutched February 27, 2008 Share February 27, 2008 marketing strategy . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safetyfirst Clutched February 27, 2008 Share February 27, 2008 anyway . . . lexus is just a glorified toyota Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safetyfirst Clutched February 27, 2008 Share February 27, 2008 nobody can claim to produce 100% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarael Clutched February 27, 2008 Share February 27, 2008 (edited) simple Brembo has aready established itself so well in the racing arena for many years. Marketing ---> even if lexus is so confident of producing their own superior braking system, they know their target audience would still prefer to have "brembo" calipers with its distinctive red calipers. Would u, say a boy racer, prefer to have Lexus Superior Brakes or Brembo Brakes? This is brembo's marketing ingenuity. Research & Money ---> Also, researching on superior braking system is exorbitant. Even with the backing of powerhouse parent Toyota, there's simply no need to develop it since lexus can easily outsource it to brembo, who has a wealth of experience in high performance braking. Economics ---> If u study econs, u'll know that specialization is best for productivity. Lexus has all along been known for Quietness, refinement, good engines, handling etc. Hence, they should just specialize on those areas and leave the hassle of superior brakes development to other specialist companies, eg Brembo. Friendster is right, wantedto replybut he has done a super job in covering all the points like a well written general paper essay. Remember,even Evo and Wrx Sti also feel it is better to use brembos than investing money to supplyand give warranty to super high performance brank systems. Perhaps the only thing that can be considered better would be Porsche's ceramic brakes on their porsche 911 turbo....no brake fade and no warping....even after hours of aggressive track driving.... Lexus does make good brakes...the brake system on the GS300 and IS350 are similar (not IS250) and powerful......different from toyota ones. safety first, if u still think lexus is a glorified toyota, then continue your delusion, cos there is a significant difference..... also i can see you dont justify your small one line comments Edited February 27, 2008 by Azarael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friendstar Supercharged February 27, 2008 Share February 27, 2008 (edited) eh ur reply really made my day leh Thank you so much bro. I love you and i love lexus. Edited February 27, 2008 by Friendstar ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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