Krieger 5th Gear February 14, 2008 Share February 14, 2008 Gys BMW hydrogen car coming. Just wonder how CNG and Hydrogen will florish/die in Singapore. Cheers Hydrogen-powered cars to make its way to Singapore By Dominique Loh, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 13 February 2008 1456 hrs Photos 1 of 1 Related Videos Hydrogen-powered cars to make its way to S'pore SINGAPORE: The availability of an environmentally friendly car has just widened. Besides popular choices like hybrid cars or even those running on compressed natural gas, the hydrogen car is another choice. However, it is more than just a case of supply and demand when purchasing these cars. Touted as one of the greenest cars available today is the BMW 7 Series. Its only emission is water, when it is powered by liquefied hydrogen. BMW believes using hydrogen fuel will help save the environment and reduce the dependence on crude oil. This next generation green car can also run on petrol in the same engine as hydrogen fuel is not readily available yet. Running a car using hydrogen, however, will cost more. A kilogramme of liquid hydrogen costs about US$11 or about S$16. Covering 100 kilometres with a hydrogen car will end up costing US$42 or about S$60 for the fuel. If it ran on petrol, it will cost US$27 or about S$38. These figures are based on European petrol and hydrogen fuel prices. The Hydrogen 7 model is likely more expensive than petrol only versions. Roland Krueger, Managing Director of BMW Group Asia, said: "The comparison is not really fair, meaning that today the infrastructure is not as developed as fossil fuel structure. So given that we will have a comparable base with the same kind of infrastructure, then the price of liquid hydrogen will be much more comparable." However, it still boils down to the question of which comes first - building refuelling stations or making more hydrogen cars? Fred Zheng from Hydrogen Solutions said: "The first, I believe is government support, second is establishing infrastructure in place." "The third is - we need to have economies of scale with the production of cars to make the cars cheaper and fourth is - find a way to have R&D and making hydrogen cheaper," he added. In Singapore, this hydrogen push has the support of the National Environment Agency, the Singapore Environment Council and the Urban Redevelopment Authority. It still remains to be seen if this would be enough to generate a nationwide network of refuelling stations. So far BMW has made some 100 hydrogen vehicles, but it will be some years to go before it becomes commercially available. BMW will bring several of its latest hydrogen cars to Singapore in early March for trials. - CNA/vm ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyboy 1st Gear February 14, 2008 Share February 14, 2008 i think hydrogen won't make it. firstly, it's frigging explosive, and secondly, u get hydrogen through electrolysis, which needs fossil fuels in most cases. another source is from hydrocarbons which are also fossil fuels. LPPL CNG or biodisel (if can make diesel hybrid lagi best, petrol hybrids are total waste of time cos petrol engine so inefficient in comparison ) seem like the best current tech for now.. maybe plug in electric cars if battery tech matures too.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watwheels Supersonic February 14, 2008 Share February 14, 2008 Unlikely for hydrogen for now cos of the precious metals to store the hydrogen fuel cells are too expensive to mass produce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceshelterx Neutral Newbie February 14, 2008 Share February 14, 2008 dun think hydro can go well in Singapore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porker Turbocharged February 14, 2008 Share February 14, 2008 Hydrogen can be generated from other means such as wind, hydroelectric, solar and etc. Bold step forward but very good cos it preserves the environment. Next time drive car on NSH no need buy water. Just put a container by the exhaust and collect the exhaust fumes can liao Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyboy 1st Gear February 14, 2008 Share February 14, 2008 sure. works for countries using those technologies. but many countries don't use these for a big proportion of their power needs btw, hydroelectricity isn't as green as what its proponents think. some articles say that greenhouse emissions may even exceed that of fossil fuel , due to all the decaying vegetation in the reservoir behind the dam.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gendut 2nd Gear February 14, 2008 Share February 14, 2008 Good luck to you as I will stay far far away from your drive. By the way, have you seen hydrogen gas auto-ignite when a leak occurs? Find out or forever remain in bliss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Route88 2nd Gear February 14, 2008 Share February 14, 2008 I think can dream on for Hydrogen cars to succeed here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelpie 2nd Gear February 14, 2008 Share February 14, 2008 This 7 series weight is a whopping 2.5 Tons. Regards, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yewheng Twincharged July 6, 2011 Share July 6, 2011 (edited) Hmm.. about hydrogen car.. do you guys think Singapore will start rolling out hydrogen car for testing soon? I mean already 4 years since BMW hydrogen car was on testing.. And I feel hydrogen car is more feasible than electric car.. and super efficient.. Edited July 6, 2011 by Yewheng Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonjst 3rd Gear July 6, 2011 Share July 6, 2011 (edited) Gys BMW hydrogen car coming. Just wonder how CNG and Hydrogen will florish/die in Singapore. Cheers Hydrogen-powered cars to make its way to Singapore By Dominique Loh, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 13 February 2008 1456 hrs Photos 1 of 1 Related Videos Hydrogen-powered cars to make its way to S'pore SINGAPORE: The availability of an environmentally friendly car has just widened. Besides popular choices like hybrid cars or even those running on compressed natural gas, the hydrogen car is another choice. However, it is more than just a case of supply and demand when purchasing these cars. Touted as one of the greenest cars available today is the BMW 7 Series. Its only emission is water, when it is powered by liquefied hydrogen. BMW believes using hydrogen fuel will help save the environment and reduce the dependence on crude oil. This next generation green car can also run on petrol in the same engine as hydrogen fuel is not readily available yet. Running a car using hydrogen, however, will cost more. A kilogramme of liquid hydrogen costs about US$11 or about S$16. Covering 100 kilometres with a hydrogen car will end up costing US$42 or about S$60 for the fuel. If it ran on petrol, it will cost US$27 or about S$38. These figures are based on European petrol and hydrogen fuel prices. The Hydrogen 7 model is likely more expensive than petrol only versions. Roland Krueger, Managing Director of BMW Group Asia, said: "The comparison is not really fair, meaning that today the infrastructure is not as developed as fossil fuel structure. So given that we will have a comparable base with the same kind of infrastructure, then the price of liquid hydrogen will be much more comparable." However, it still boils down to the question of which comes first - building refuelling stations or making more hydrogen cars? Fred Zheng from Hydrogen Solutions said: "The first, I believe is government support, second is establishing infrastructure in place." "The third is - we need to have economies of scale with the production of cars to make the cars cheaper and fourth is - find a way to have R&D and making hydrogen cheaper," he added. In Singapore, this hydrogen push has the support of the National Environment Agency, the Singapore Environment Council and the Urban Redevelopment Authority. It still remains to be seen if this would be enough to generate a nationwide network of refuelling stations. So far BMW has made some 100 hydrogen vehicles, but it will be some years to go before it becomes commercially available. BMW will bring several of its latest hydrogen cars to Singapore in early March for trials. - CNA/vm Whats the point ? even if 1L of Hydrogen cost $1 and can travel 20km so what ? Means cheaper fuel , more ppl will buy cars , COE will go higher , end of the day you still pay more ! Edited July 6, 2011 by Jasonjst Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanhangkiang 3rd Gear July 6, 2011 Share July 6, 2011 Some gap 1.6 needs only under 15 bucks sgd to cover 100km. Using hydrogen at the current price of 60 sgd per 100km is a bit high. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTan 2nd Gear July 6, 2011 Share July 6, 2011 If can buy without Coe, maybe people will buy. Look at the cng tax charges...killed it. Look at the hybrid+electric kw calculation charges.....killed it. Look at the diesel extra tax....killed it. Promoting green in Singapore is a joke. No no make it as a profit or no way kind of deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yewheng Twincharged July 7, 2011 Share July 7, 2011 (edited) Some gap 1.6 needs only under 15 bucks sgd to cover 100km. Using hydrogen at the current price of 60 sgd per 100km is a bit high. That is base on year 2008 figure. I believe with technology advancement, few years down the road the price will not be so high anymore. Plus if Europe start rolling out hydrogen car 1st.. It will drive down cost of fueling for hydrogen car as there will be economic of scale. So if Singapore start rolling out hydrogen car soon will be a good move if LTA would consider it. And hydrogen car will succeed very well and will not be like cng the trend dies off. I mean as in cng eat up boots space which is a big minus point. For electric car... Erm... I feel it is not really good as compared to hydrogen car as it is not very efficient, and the recharge time also a headache, plus cannot travel very fast and travel distance also quite short for full charge of electric car. Edited July 7, 2011 by Yewheng Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melvinyuen 2nd Gear July 7, 2011 Share July 7, 2011 Errrr 100km for my Hybrid is only about 4L of petrol. Which is $10 ??? :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmore Supercharged July 7, 2011 Share July 7, 2011 If can buy without Coe, maybe people will buy. Look at the cng tax charges...killed it. Look at the hybrid+electric kw calculation charges.....killed it. Look at the diesel extra tax....killed it. Promoting green in Singapore is a joke. No no make it as a profit or no way kind of deal. I really wonder if the Singapore Government i genuinely keen to promote alternative fuel for vehicle. With all these taxes that puts these alternative fuel driven vehicle on par with conventional fuel driven vehicle, what incentive is there? It looks like Singapore Government is only interested in looking at alternative tax revenue rather then anything else. Else this go green are just their pretext. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beehive3783 Turbocharged July 7, 2011 Share July 7, 2011 Merc did testing of their Hydrogen Fuel Cell A-Class here many years ago. Till now I haven't seen anything about launching the car or something. Don't think this will pick up here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustank Hypersonic July 7, 2011 Share July 7, 2011 unless mankind finds a cheap and efficient way to harvest hydrogen ans oxygen from sea water, hard lah hard lah ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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