Falc 3rd Gear February 9, 2008 Share February 9, 2008 Extract from autozine.org . Just like we have new water for independence, the Israelis are really going to cut their dependency on oil. Interesting what a smart guy with a wise government, who is not just looking to raising their own paycheck, can do. -------------------- The world's largest scale application of electric cars is going to take place in Israel. For national security reasons, Israeli government has long been pursuing alternative energy to oil because oil price is heavily dependent on its enemy Arabia countries. One of the biggest headache was how to turn the 2 million cars on its roads to run on electricity. Electric cars have been notorious for high purchasing price and long recharging time. Moreover, so far no countries are willing to invest substantial money to build the necessary infrastructure - countless of recharging stations covering all over the country. However, a breakthrough is finally achieved by the cooperation of the Israeli government, Shai Agassi and Renault-Nissan. The idea was originated by Shai Agassi, an Israeli software entrepreneur. Since he quit German software giant SAP, Agassi became an environmental activist. He realized that, to shorten the recharging time by only improving battery technology is not enough. The public wants recharge to be done in a few minutes, just like they get refill in petrol stations. Agassi therefore suggested, instead of really recharge the battery, the recharge station should replace the discharged battery with a fresh battery. This can be done in a few minutes time. Therefore the drivers no longer need to recharge the car overnight by themselves or worry of running out of electricity during driving. Everything works like driving a conventional car. The depleted battery will be recharged to full in the stations and installed into another car. Recharge will take place at late night to enjoy lower electricity rate. .......... To drive the electric car program, Israeli government will offer tax incentives on the electric cars and raise the tax for other cars. It is also building 200MW of regenerative power plants (wind power and solar power) to provide the electricity necessary. If the plan goes right, hopefully by 2020 petroleum cars will be history on Israeli roads. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comfy 1st Gear February 9, 2008 Share February 9, 2008 wow... Israel is always well known for its technologies... good way to reduce reliance on its enemy neighboring countries too.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meecar Clutched February 9, 2008 Share February 9, 2008 now i understand why sillypore is not all for electric or hybrid you know if miw wants something done even if you have to get up in the middle of the night to get it done it will be done the picture is very clear now because we have oil refineries here therefore if we become less dependent on oil these MNC will move somewhere that is also why our oil prices are higher than our immediate neighbour imagine when we drive north and pump oil the malaysians are actually subsidizing us sillyporeans in away when we drive up north we are also some form of ganster ... day light robbery hope this observation is false Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nhyone 4th Gear February 9, 2008 Share February 9, 2008 It's not that it can't be done, but it requires some foreplanning. Currently, batteries are in all sorts of shape and size, have different amperes and are put in different places. Doesn't look feasible to stock every single combination, even for a Government initiative. It has to converged the battery design to a few types. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falc 3rd Gear February 10, 2008 Author Share February 10, 2008 Here's the other para that talks about it (the volume aspect) ... The electric car is being developed by Renault-Nissan. Carlos Ghosn has already signed an agreement with PBP and Israeli PM Ehud Olmert. Initially it will supply 10,000 to 20,000 electric cars a year to Israel. Later on the same concept may spread to London, Paris, Tokyo or even USA. Israel will be a good starting place because 90 percent of Israelis drive less than 70 km a day, perfectly suitable to electric cars. Renault said its car will have a top speed of 110 kph (68 mph), 0-100 kph (62 mph) in 13 seconds and a range of 100 km (62 miles) in city or 160 km (100 miles) on highway. It will be made by Renault in Europe and powered by a battery jointly developed by Nissan and NEC. The car will be available in 2011. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beng2 5th Gear February 10, 2008 Share February 10, 2008 Bro, You see Sgp's domestic consumption too up liao. You reckon the oil giants will pack up and move once the domestic consummtion drops? If they depended on local consumption for their survival, I believe they'd have closed shop long time ago... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beng2 5th Gear February 10, 2008 Share February 10, 2008 Can't help it but ask: where is the electricity going to come from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nhyone 4th Gear February 10, 2008 Share February 10, 2008 Electricity can be generated by non-oil sources. The first article mentioned wind and solar power plants. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nhyone 4th Gear February 10, 2008 Share February 10, 2008 That's just Renault-Nissan. How about the other car makers? Will they use the same type of battery? Given that the battery is jointly developed by Nissan and NEC, it's giving your competitor money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vega Turbocharged February 10, 2008 Share February 10, 2008 if Israel can do it, sg is highly possible cos our country is way smaller. on avg, we travel less then 100km a day and a full charge is more then enough to cover this distant. the govt can install charging point at each parking lot and deduct from our cash card after each charge just like ERP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir8 Neutral Newbie February 10, 2008 Share February 10, 2008 1. oil 2. natural gas 3. coal 4. hydro 5. wind 6. solar 7. nuclear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des3k Neutral Newbie February 10, 2008 Share February 10, 2008 Run using wind power Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meecar Clutched February 10, 2008 Share February 10, 2008 YOU ARE GOING TO get real fat cheeks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falc 3rd Gear February 10, 2008 Author Share February 10, 2008 (edited) Obviously, they will only have Renault-Nissan electric cars. This way there's volume and will drive down costs. With volume and with more countries joining, who knows maybe next time we will have standardization or streamlining of those batteries in the whole industry. Also, this is probably the first huge order of its kind, so first mover gets the potential of standardizing the industry. Edited February 10, 2008 by Falc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falc 3rd Gear February 10, 2008 Author Share February 10, 2008 Here's another article reporting the same thing. It's mentioned she had her electric power from coal and natural gas (like Singapore) now with plans to diversify. http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/cont...3039_page_2.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidklt 6th Gear February 10, 2008 Share February 10, 2008 Pls la..Singaporean cars dont consume that much oil to such an extent that if we are less reliant on oil, the refineries would move else where. now i understand why sillypore is not all for electric or hybrid you know if miw wants something done even if you have to get up in the middle of the night to get it done it will be done the picture is very clear now because we have oil refineries here therefore if we become less dependent on oil these MNC will move somewhere that is also why our oil prices are higher than our immediate neighbour imagine when we drive north and pump oil the malaysians are actually subsidizing us sillyporeans in away when we drive up north we are also some form of ganster ... day light robbery hope this observation is false Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diehardsu Clutched February 10, 2008 Share February 10, 2008 Y shld they do it, they will b losing alot of oil revenue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falc 3rd Gear February 10, 2008 Author Share February 10, 2008 Ya, there's alot more to Jurong Island than oil refineries. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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