Engine Oil Brands that are not Certified by API , yet print API standard * CONFUSED*

[Keen]

but established hypermarket like giant... they should be getting the oil from a reliable source?

Edited November 14, 2007 by Keen

[Slowmo]

well, i don't work in hypermarkets, so i wont know. but i can say is they have 1000s of products to source, i don't think they will bother to do much background checks or verifications.

 

 

just like those toys from martel or the recent drug content in kids toy... they are from 'reliable' sources.

 

As consumers, nothing wrong to question the origins or the authenticity of a product, and manufacturers should not be too dodgey about their own products too. Otherwise, no one will feel comfortable about it.

 

 

But amongst all the 'assumptions', to my knowledge of this thread right now, there is only one official way for a normal consumer to verify if a particular oil is API whatever certified. Its a good start, but I suppose we need to find out more ways to find more updated information too.

[Kb27]

Hypermart like Giant, Carrefour or NTUC will deal with any reputable companies to get their supplies at the lowest costs.

 

But they are just doing business, they are not going to scrutinize every piece of item they purchased unless it is obtained illegally or fake/pirated goods.

 

So it is very unlikely to see their purchasing department checking on whether the engine oil they bought is properly certified or not.

[Kklee]

Agree... while we might have some information, but items like engine oil, its difficult to tell if its genuine, fake or PI.... the manufacturers have to deal with it.

 

That's why determining the source is important e.g. authorised dealers, authorised distributors, reputable source. However, verification of these is another issue because sometimes the manufacturers themselves don't even list them out!

 

Fakes aside, API donut/starburst = API Certification. If known, verify with the API-EOLCS website.

[EventH]

It could just be a case of "certified by API" vs "of API standard"

 

API standards are open tech specifications. It is good that standards defines a baseline quality of a product; but it becomes a XXXXX when the commercial aspect of standards (the certification body) charges large amounts of money to provide their good "service".

 

Lastly, have a sense of adventure, it is not as if using non "certified by API" oil will kill your engine 2-3 years down the road. Most engines in Singapore cars don't see the usage of typical engines in US or Europe before they were exported.

[Slowmo]

I don't quite agree with you.

 

1) Price: Those non-certified ones are charging as high as or even more expensive than the certified ones. Just look at different models within the shell range. This does not justify 'adventure'. It is more like giving the excuse or impression to people that its the same 'standard' even when only one/few model is approved by API. Therefore, the charging high amounts is a myth, because what the oil cartels are doing now is just getting a few model approved, but make a shiit load of other models that are not approved, sell to you guys at approved prices!

 

2) Quality: Due to the standards set by API, the manufacturer has to conform to the requirement of the standard. But when they make a 'equal or exceeding API standard', it is usually to their advantage, just like makers of fruit juices, or canned foods they tell you 'no added sugar', 'low fat' or 'no added MSG', but that doesn't mean that there is already fat, msg or sugar in the raw materials that they use! Similarily, equal or exceeding API standard, we won't know if only one component equals or exceeds while the other component fails the API requirements!

 

3) Integrity: I think someone mentioned in this thread before, if you are my employee and tell me you're not certified, I'll totally accept that. But if you are my employee and you tell me you got doctorate, then when I later found out that you don't have the cert, what do you think my reaction will be? Wow, it was a great adventure?

 

4) Conformity/Accountability: Standards are there for a reason, otherwise every tom/dick/harry will come out with their own brand of oil and say it's better. Look at the html standards, before there was W3C awareness, every mother son was making their own version of websites compatible with only 1 out of the 5 major web browsers. If there is no conformance to standards, then you won't have your 802.11a/b/g/n wireless, because you will be having headaches with hundreds of proprietary standards of wireless like stupid apple/ibm/etc.

When shiit hits the fan, who is going to stand behind you when you use non-approved oils?

 

what for have the API ratings in the first place? might as well import 'alternative' or imitation engine oil from china, ya?

 

5) Reality: Engine oil nowadays cost only as much as 1 full tank of petrol, which runs for 10000km instead of just 700km per fuel tank. To my layman knowledge, engine oil affects many components of driving, most obviously is the FC. I seriously don't think it's too much to ensure that the oil I put in is reliable. Its after all, my money.

 

 

apologies for the long post, just my few cents.

Edited November 15, 2007 by Slowmo

[Keen]

hmmm. so what engine oil are you using now? am reaching my 10k soon... am actually going to use amsoil but upon seeing this thread... i change my mind to thinking of using mobil 1 5w30...

[Slowmo]

if i didnt recall wrongly, it should be the Schaeffer 7000 5w30 was eyeing the redline 5w20 actually but that point in time no $ to buy.

Edited November 15, 2007 by Slowmo

[Kklee]

Eh... AMSOIL XL range is API certified.

[Abba]

friend,

 

I sugguest you check first before you buy if the Engine Oil BRAND/Model is Certified next time... I also will check. I just want to safe after purchase.

 

After I found out this truth, it really irks me , makes me feeling like vomiting at these commericial org that have questionable integrity.

 

Fortunately , no damage has been done on me.. because I go do re-search before I purchase stuff.

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The problem, is that the companies have 信用 problem here.

The trust factor is not even there, can't help but to be suspicious about their quality that they claim after that.

 

NOW they break the TURST, even though their Engine Oil is genuine GOOD. How are we going to trust the brand or company? They have questionable 信用.

 

Anything they do will enhanced with a FLIM of Suspicion, after 信用 is absent.

 

I will boycott the brands. I want to be safe, it does not make sense to spend money to get these kind of negative ( kana cheated) feeling in return.

 

Spend money must feel good. Feel secure, Feel well taken care of. Feel that we as consumers are VALUED.

 

Not spend money to be CARROT!!

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TRUST is like a PIECE of GLASS, if you break it, and you SUPER glued the pieces back. There will still be CRACKS.

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Car is priced at high price in Singapore, Spend a little effort to take care of our " wife" will not cost much. Protect our wife from un-necessary RISK.

 

Cheers

Gimmy

 

If they can put a API certification but not certified, wonder if the OWS tin says "Made in Germany", the oil really came from Germany

 

The power of the Net is amazing, just look at the Kegan and Ang Mo bully old man trishaw rider. If there is enough buzz on this, the media will pick it up

[Abba]

So is Ultraman Engine Oil Certified in 2007? Since you seems to claim that API not Accurate.

You have to be at least a ACEA to be able to claim that API is not accurate.

 

If have, Ultraman Engine Oil Company can provide relevant documentation, so that it can stop mis-leading consumer.

Until now, I trust the professional organisation.

 

Shell Ferrari

 

SHOWA SHELL SEKIYU KK SHELL HELIX ULTRA 5W-40 SM/CF

 

SHOWA SHELL SEKIYU KK began marketing licensed motor oil products on August 27, 1993 under a license issued by the American Petroleum Institute. This License and Agreement will terminate on February 22, 2008 unless extended by mutual agreement

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Caltex Havoline

 

CHEVRON PRODUCTS COMPANY CALTEX HAVOLINE FULLY SYNTHETIC 5W-40 SM/CF

 

CHEVRON PRODUCTS COMPANY began marketing licensed motor oil products on October 16, 1993 under a license issued by the American Petroleum Institute. This License and Agreement will terminate on June 15, 2008 unless extended by mutual agreement.

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Mobil 1 McClaren

EXXONMOBIL OIL CORPORATION MOBIL 1 5W-30 SM/CF*

 

EXXONMOBIL OIL CORPORATION began marketing licensed motor oil products on August 10, 1993 under a license issued by the American Petroleum Institute. This License and Agreement will terminate on March 9, 2008 unless extended by mutual agreement.

 

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Elf F1 Lubricant , Renault

 

TOTAL OIL ASIA-PACIFIC PTE LTD ELF EXCELLIUM 5W-40 SM/CF

 

TOTAL OIL ASIA-PACIFIC PTE LTD began marketing licensed motor oil products on July 10, 2002 under a license issued by the American Petroleum Institute. This License and Agreement will terminate on July 10, 2008 unless extended by mutual agreement.

 

majority of the BIG 4 Engine Oil Company 's API Cerfication EXPIRED in 2008.

 

Most probably there will be an update in 2008, since the BIG 4 need update by then.

 

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IS Ultraman Engine Oil certified since 2005?

Is Ultraman Engine Oil selling in the market since 2005 or even Earlier?

 

 

 

Please be honest about the Dealings

This is the BOTTOM LINE : No API certified , please do not try to MISLEAD innocent consumer.

 

Cheers

Gimmy

 

Good to know that ELF EXCELLIUM 5W-40 is properly certified, a friend recommended to me and I find it a very good oil.

[Kb27]

Me, exact opposite. Was using Mobil 1, 5w30 most of the time.

Now want to try Amsoil.

I think we may be reading too much into this certification thing.

 

Sure it's good to be API certified, but ultimately the quality of the oil is open to public scrutiny. Amsoil and Redline has very good track record so far even without the API donut+starburst.

[Slowmo]

Talk about OWS, I remember just 1+ yr back there was some imitation OWS iridium plugs distributing around in SG.

 

Nowadays even if you say Made+assembled in Germany, I think still better treat the product with a huge fist of salt.

[Keen]

so how's mobil 1 5w30 engine oil? the one you get, is it from usa? ty

[Kb27]

I like it very much. Engine is easy to rev. It doesn't make the engine noisier, at least on my car.

Don't feel any sluggishness even near to 10k.

It's from US, I stocked them when I got it on sale from Carrefour and Giant.

Carrefour stopped selling now, so left only Giant.

[Keen]

hmmm... does your fc improve? :)

[Kb27]

Yes, I'm sure it does in small ways.

But when the engine feels lighter, you tend to rev more, so come back to square one.

[Gim_ong]

And also Please hor

 

get it from the correct Source, an authorised Source.

http://lancerglxreview.wordpress.com/ .... Beware of fake OIL!

Currently if you want ELF oil from authorized source, as far as I know ELF oil only available @ ESpace in UBI.

 

Cheers

 

Gimmy