New gs300 2008 model

[Mrericlee]

What is the difference between Luxury and Standard version for the new GS300?

[Rangie]

Just to share my opinon on the Merc. I had own 3 Merc now (190E, W124 200E and now W203 C180).

 

The bad points are : engine sounds harsh for these low end models, generally underpowered except the C180

 

The good point to me is : very relaxing to drive if you are not in the rush.

 

I have tried BMW, Lexus and Audi, none of them felt the that comfortable on cruising on expressway.

 

In the end, it is what you want. For me, the relax ride is more important, I can live with the underpowered engine.

[Guyver]

Here are my views on Merc, just take it with a pinch of salt.

 

I have drove 2 generations of E200 and no less than 18 years in total. Merc has always offer comfort, firm ride with a touch of luxury. 10 - 20 years ago, I would said that Merc and BMC build excellent car with leading technology. It's still true that these 2 German leading companies still incorporate leading technologies in their new cars. Japanese cars at then are no where near Merc and BMC in every respects. However, my view is that the Japanese car, in particular Lexus has closed the gap quite a bit, though may not be in the area of leading technology.

 

After all these years of drive E200, I still enjoying it, however, as I becoming older, my criteria for car has somewhat change. I wanted a car that is as quiet as possible, smooth engine and yet can "chiong". E200 is never a performance car, so I cannot expect it to sprint very well, not leading class in term of quietness, probably except during crusing. One frustration I have with Merc though it a excellent car, but its reliability has got onto my nerve. I continously has to deal with teething problems. I always ask myself, why am I paying premium for a car and yet has to go through all these shits?

 

I'm switching my ride to Lexus in about 2 weeks times for a change. Hopefully it will not disappoint me.

 

Does Merc really have teething problem here and there?

[Guyver]

i'd go with e280 over a gs300 too, though it's abt 30k costlier.

but if we were comparing with a e200, then the gs would be my pick.

 

but making e choice really depends on your needs, my only qualm with lexus sedans is that their interior is rather cramped, probably so which results from their neat streamlined styling.

 

in terms of competitiveness, i personally prefer the lexus series over mb & bmw's entry lvl models, ie. their is250 vs bmw320, c180/200. gs300 vs bm523/e200. but that's because of value creation due to the way they are priced.

 

reliability wise i can't really comment for the sedan models, but my 4yr old rx300 hasn't suffered an electronic failure once, and is still operating like it used to on the very 1st day. my last e240 had the central computer konking out every now and then, even after it got reset and all, i just had to live with a giant warning exclamation sign smacked onto my digital speedo till it was sold. it was pretty embarassing when you have to fetch clients around and having them concerned that your car was having problems.

 

Guess Lexus is a value for money .... reliable car ...

[Pckwpckw]

My friend from united state once tell me if you drive a Lexus you will in love with it day by day until you forget there is other luxury brand in the market.

Because the car is so refine and super in quality. Some of my friend which is german car crazy have switch over to lexus already.

[Pckwpckw]

Lexus is a brand that grow by leap and bound over the past 20 years, if it is no good it will not take over mercede market share since year 2000. And mercede have not recapture their market share since then as mercede have so many quality problem. A lot of luxury car manufacturer underestmate what the japanese can do. Like Japanese manufactuerer underestimate what the korean can do. Don take thing for granted. Lexus is going to launch their F series soon if this is successful than a lot of car so call performance base market share will be at stake

[Lumbengheng]

lexus value for money my ass, make a gs300 with a 3000cc, how to fight with benz, the lexus road tax is 3000++++++++$$$$$$$. then benz is onli 1.8cc. road taz onli 800$. how much u save?

[Pckwpckw]

We are talking about facts and figure, if you don do homework don talk , and im not here to lick your ass. But lexus is for people who know about refinement not putting in a turbo engine and expect it to perform. The Japanese know that turbo stand for high maintenance. Mercede brand is dead is for old man. Even taxi use mercede is so cheap .

[Cerano]

bro

 

but if you buy a lexus... you pay so much money and in the end you still get a jap car...

 

i emphasise merc quality is impeccable for the newer models at least. i cant speak for the W211 e class but I know my W204, the W212 and the W221 have promised.

 

Merc's lowest point was probably a few years back when the company was run by penny-pinchers. now its back in the hands of engineers. people who know their stuff.

 

Just look at the reviews. You will know what I mean.

[Pckwpckw]

lexus value for money my ass, make a gs300 with a 3000cc, how to fight with benz, the lexus road tax is 3000++++++++$$$$$$$. then benz is onli 1.8cc. road taz onli 800$. how much u save?

Thats why taxi use mercede it is such a cheap skate car

[Pckwpckw]

bro

 

but if you buy a lexus... you pay so much money and in the end you still get a jap car...

 

i emphasise merc quality is impeccable for the newer models at least. i cant speak for the W211 e class but I know my W204, the W212 and the W221 have promised.

 

Merc's lowest point was probably a few years back when the company was run by penny-pinchers. now its back in the hands of engineers. people who know their stuff.

 

Just look at the reviews. You will know what I mean.

JD power quality rating still range Mercede quality below average. I will not buy a car with quality below hyundai standard

[Friendstar]

but seriously, i adore the mercedes benz 1.8 engine

[Pckwpckw]

There is once a saying if u never hid the wall u will never wake up, Mercede is more than a 100 yrs old company it have take too many thing for granted, i hope they are really going to rebuilt mercede brand over the last 15 years they perform badly in term of reliability

[Cerano]

JD power quality rating still range Mercede quality below average. I will not buy a car with quality below hyundai standard

 

bro

 

try it out. thats all i can say. i seriously doubt the quality of my car is poorer than a hyundai or any japanese car bar lexus. go to the showroom and have a look. just listen to the sound of the door closing

[Cerano]

Thats why taxi use mercede it is such a cheap skate car

Firstly,

 

taxi companies market their merc taxis as LIMOS.

 

2ndly,

 

in germany even S-class and 7 ser are used as taxis. are those low class bro?

[Cmwmsoh]

Facts? How about the M272 V6 engines of Merc? Or the renowned I6 of the BMWs? FACT is, Merc and BMWs are the lead runners in auto technology. From innovations that started from Merc like seat belts and SRS airbags that made to the masses, to new tech like distronic, active damping control etc. We don't even need to bring up the AMG and M Class of these marques.

 

I was always under the impression that seatbelts were invented and introduced by Volvo.

http://inventors.about.com/library/invento..._seat_belts.htm

 

And the SRS airbags were probably first used by the Americans.

http://inventors.about.com/od/astartinvent.../a/air_bags.htm

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm a great admirer of Merc, and would probably get a E-class one of these days. But even though I do agree that they and BMW are lead runners in some aspects, its just not the examples you brought up.

 

[Nostalgia]

Merc has always been in the leading edge when it comes to auto technologies. What were introduced in their premier class will eventually make to the rest of the auto makers. This was the case with seat belts, airbags etc. And will be for their newer innovations in the recently launched S Class.

 

I honestly think there are good and 'not so good' models in every make. That's why there are so many variations on each make and model and it's only good for us, the consumer, as we're almost overwhelmed by choices. No need to be too religious about it, though.

 

Since this discussion is all about facts, I would just like to address these points:

seat belts

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Swedish inventor, Nils Bohlin invented the three-point seat belt - not the first but the modern seatbelt - now a standard safety device in most cars. Nils Bohlin's lap-and-shoulder belt was introduced by Volvo in 1959.

http://inventors.about.com/library/invento..._seat_belts.htm

 

Airbags

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We're talking here about the modern airbag enabled by the crash sensor that Allen Breed invented in the late 60's.

In 1971, the Ford car company built an experimental airbag fleet. General Motors tested airbags on the 1973 model Chevrolet automobile that were only sold for government use. The 1973, Oldsmobile Toronado was the first car with a passenger air bag intended for sale to the public. General Motors later offered an option to the general public of driver side airbags in full-sized Oldsmobile's and Buick's in 1975 and 1976 respectively.

Mercedes launched the airbag in the S-Class in 1980.

http://inventors.about.com/od/astartinvent.../a/air_bags.htm

http://www.baby-benz.com/portal/mercedes-b...nz-25-year.html

 

[Nostalgia]

Haha both of us jumped at the same statements, at almost the same time.