Zoomsixfred Neutral Newbie October 31, 2007 Share October 31, 2007 Hi all, Ambiguous(Grey region) situation that's why I wanna seek more perspectives and opinions. What's the consequences for being caught with HID system that was not wired up? In addition, pictures were even taken with the headlamps on and the colour of the bulb was the same as normal halogen bulb. Not a hypothetical question cause it happened to me... haha that's why i'm asking around. My confusion is basically caused by a sentence on LTA's website pin-pointing HID kits which says "Therefore, installation of these kits are not allowed." However, the word "install" basically means "place or fix in position ready for use" in the dictionary. I just don't think HID kit that was not wired up fits the bill of an "installed" HID system... Your opinions please... tkss also welcomed but please don't flame me for a genuine question! Cheerios! hahaha ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thefear Clutched October 31, 2007 Share October 31, 2007 Care to go into more details? Were u stopped by ROV? Did he bring u for an inspection? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elfenstar 3rd Gear October 31, 2007 Share October 31, 2007 Have you thought of emailing LTA to ask them directly??? Better direct info from the horses mouth than hearsay from us (even if its the same thing). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dafansu Turbocharged October 31, 2007 Share October 31, 2007 what do u mean not wired up? this sentence means? In addition, pictures were even taken with the headlamps on and the colour of the bulb was the same as normal halogen bulb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elfenstar 3rd Gear October 31, 2007 Share October 31, 2007 you just replied to the wrong person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caravan 5th Gear October 31, 2007 Share October 31, 2007 Better you ask LTA and then tell us the answer here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyboy 1st Gear October 31, 2007 Share October 31, 2007 (edited) wait.. so u were using normal headlamps, but had a HID wired up? or ur normal headlamps removed, but HID installed and not connected? u do this weird stuff for what ah? IMHO, if it's the second scenario, u sure kena. first scenario, i can say, for use in MY or further north, go up then connect. but i won't dare to risk doing tt.. stock headlamps are best. they may not be satisfying when u highbeam the taxi in front, but at least have peace of mind. Edited October 31, 2007 by Boyboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silveratenza Neutral Newbie October 31, 2007 Share October 31, 2007 (edited) I think all the hoohaa about HID is really a grey area, like "thief shouting to catch thief" mentality. If yours is a new car, would LTA/ROV/TP know whether your car is fitted with original HID or not? Putting aside say COE cars or lower cc cars like Jazz/Picanto or other cars without that option. If you for example drives a 2L and above car, or even a 1.6L Civic, would they know? Do u think they have time to open up your bonnet and check the ballast? Which most cases are installed below the bumper... Which clause in LTA states the colour temperatures of bulbs are illegal? And do they really use device to measure the colour temp? I am seeing more and more white/blue or even purple headlights roaming freely nowadays...so who is legal and who is not? As long as the headlamp is aligned properly or it has auto-alignment feature, then it should be fine and will not cause discomfort to others. The most hated ones on the roads are those mis-aligned ones, even with Halogen lights like Taxis and commercial vehicles!!! These are the ones they should be dealing with instead... In near future, most cars will be installed with HID as standard when manufacturing cost decrease (demand increases). So does our government curb these? In fact, HID should be widely used, it is brighter, uses less power and can last longer...so its kinda more environmentally friendly... That's why i go ahead to install mine too... Edited October 31, 2007 by Silveratenza Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odex Neutral Newbie October 31, 2007 Share October 31, 2007 stock headlamps are best. they may not be satisfying when u highbeam the taxi in front, but at least have peace of mind. ====================================== wow, brudder, u sound like u x-sword wif taxi izit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odex Neutral Newbie October 31, 2007 Share October 31, 2007 Putting aside say COE cars or lower cc cars like Jazz/Picanto or other cars without that option. If you for example drives a 2L and above car, or even a 1.6L Civic, would they know? ------------------------- brudder, hearsay 1 owner of above call up for inspect, seems LTA or associate not veri familiar wif wat's fit n wat's not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vblaster_w211 2nd Gear October 31, 2007 Share October 31, 2007 Agreed. It's all about alignment and consideration for others, nothing to do if it's HID or not. But is our LTA listening? Noo...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoomsixfred Neutral Newbie October 31, 2007 Author Share October 31, 2007 Quote what do u mean not wired up? this sentence means? In addition, pictures were even taken with the headlamps on and the colour of the bulb was the same as normal halogen bulb. Hi bro, basically is like what boyboy bro said... "installed" but not wired up. Basically, it's because I went for inspection like a year back and in fear that I would fail the inspection, I disconnected the HID system and used the normal bulbs in my headlamps. Although it's uninstalled, the HID system was just left there. Been contemplating to take it out but haven't due to pure laziness.. haha... So basically, it's a normal headlamp that has the "remains" of my HID under my headlamp (yah... really lazy person.. I know..). Regarding the second question, basically when ROV stops you for something that does not conform to regulation, they'll tell you what is it and take pictures of it. Maybe it is to serve as "evidence" on their part? For my case, I was told to turn on my headlamps and he took picture of it. However, as it is already a normal headlamp, the light emitted was normal halogen light. Maybe he doesn't believe that it's disconnected? Sorry for causing so much confusion. I'll update u guys on the outcome Cheerios! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dafansu Turbocharged October 31, 2007 Share October 31, 2007 in the first place why he stop u Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circuit Clutched October 31, 2007 Share October 31, 2007 mine same as urs... i go inspect , unwire, then use normal blub. pass... anyway my balast is hidden in the "bones" of the front , so cant see. anyway all HID now is plug and play... so easy to take out if urs is not hidden. :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thefear Clutched October 31, 2007 Share October 31, 2007 Still unclear leh ur story. So u were stopped by ROV? For? Did he open ur bonnet n he saw the HID ballasts inside? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoomsixfred Neutral Newbie October 31, 2007 Author Share October 31, 2007 Was travelling at around 70 along an expressway. Guess car looks a bit tiong plus bad day? haha i really dunno man.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elfenstar 3rd Gear October 31, 2007 Share October 31, 2007 Quote I think all the hoohaa about HID is really a grey area, like "thief shouting to catch thief" mentality. If yours is a new car, would LTA/ROV/TP know whether your car is fitted with original HID or not? Putting aside say COE cars or lower cc cars like Jazz/Picanto or other cars without that option. If you for example drives a 2L and above car, or even a 1.6L Civic, would they know? Do u think they have time to open up your bonnet and check the ballast? Which most cases are installed below the bumper... Which clause in LTA states the colour temperatures of bulbs are illegal? And do they really use device to measure the colour temp? I am seeing more and more white/blue or even purple headlights roaming freely nowadays...so who is legal and who is not? As long as the headlamp is aligned properly or it has auto-alignment feature, then it should be fine and will not cause discomfort to others. The most hated ones on the roads are those mis-aligned ones, even with Halogen lights like Taxis and commercial vehicles!!! These are the ones they should be dealing with instead... In near future, most cars will be installed with HID as standard when manufacturing cost decrease (demand increases). So does our government curb these? In fact, HID should be widely used, it is brighter, uses less power and can last longer...so its kinda more environmentally friendly... That's why i go ahead to install mine too... Its very easy to spot an aftermarket HID unit. The wires give it away. Mind you on a non-HID projector or reflector system, it either shortens the throw to less than your halogen (though brighter) or it causes glare. Either way it illegal coz of the rule specs. At least in a halogen-halogen system, it can be aligned to legal specs. The LTA has no qualms about factory HID's. Its the aftermarket ones that they're targeting. And yes, all they have to do is search on their comp to compare your VIN to the specs listed on their comp and they'll know. Its not hard at all to check. As for colour temp, I have an email from them stating that as long as it doesnt exceed 4000ks its fine. I would ask them why, but i doubt they'll be able to give me a satisfactory reason but thats not the point . That was for halogen bulbs and i'm not sure if it applies to HID's. As for environmentally friendly, don't get conned by ideas of brainless people as even toyota has admitted that it would take 20yrs for each Prius to make up for the environmental harm from its production as compared to a regular car. FYI D1 and D2 based bulbs have heavy mercury which is extremely toxic and all of the bulbs have thorium in their construction which is a radioactive element. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elfenstar 3rd Gear October 31, 2007 Share October 31, 2007 Have a read of these bro http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bu...onversions.html http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf82/176157_web.pdf ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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