Gizmo77 Neutral Newbie September 17, 2007 Share September 17, 2007 Your avatar is so right for you!! LOSER LOSER LOSER !!!! ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearbear1494 Clutched September 17, 2007 Share September 17, 2007 What so difficult about Screwing around on a already well designed car.You think got money to buy a good gearbox and bolt it onto the car is consider as building a car? You think selecting a ready-made turbo charger and bolting it into the car is a real achievement? You think hiring a FT to drive and win the car is an achievement. Ok maybe the know how to mix-&-match the parts are considered as a skills, that I got no dispute on. But are the ITE students involved to the selection of parts level? No one knows...maybe yes. Honestly....I would consider it an achievement if the students also involved in programming the ECU or selecting the gear ratio/material or finite element analysis of the roll cage/ body strength analysis, etc. Here's the difference between a layman & the trained technician ; Sure it's easy to bolt on something that's ready made to another thing that's ready-made. But do YOU know what type of bolts/washers/nuts/screws/rivets etc to use? There're differences between a regular steel bolt & high-tensile steel bolts. Diff between a lock-nut & regular threaded nut. Diff between a crush-washer & normal washer. Do YOU know which to use in which scenario? Do YOU know how much torque is needed to tighten any given bolt/nut? Or is it ok with the same bolt is just hand-tightened? Will the bolt loosen during operation & cause the entire assembly to fail? A layman will use the biggest screwdriver he can get on a screw & just tighten it down. The dumber layman will more than likely overtighten the screw & strip the thread or round out the screw head, rendering it unusable. The trained guy will know to double check & apply the right amount of force required so that the screw won't come loose, while not overtightening it to the extent that it's actually more prone to failure. Sis, a rally car represents the penultimate in assembly skills. Why? Because championships have been won & lost due to just a couple of seemingly insignificant failures due to loose bolts or even the wrong kind of bolts which caused some assembly to fail, thus losing precious time & losing the race altogether. A rally car is subject to extreme stresses on each & every component that it's made up of. It may not seem much to most people that assembly is just as important as the parts' design & manufacturing standards. Try putting together a team of people from your friends & assemble a car that is capable of winning at a local SMSA event. If YOU can do it, then congratulations, your post on why this is such a big deal is finally justified. You would have proved that any monkey can do the same thing as these ITE students. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickscientist Clutched September 17, 2007 Share September 17, 2007 (edited) Beautifully executed... EDIT: To both posts by bearbear.. Thks for defending ITE students.. Edited September 17, 2007 by Sickscientist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearbear1494 Clutched September 17, 2007 Share September 17, 2007 Oh BTW, before you do any servicing on your own ride, think about this ; Majority of all technicians in automotive field, be it in AD or workshops, graduated from ITE or VIT as it was known earlier. Since you say assembling is nothing, then don't complain the next time if some tech changes your brake pads & didn't tighten the caliper nuts properly, causing an accident when you realise your brakes are failing. You should actually do it yourself & save on the labour charges. Why even bother going to these geezers, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otsego Clutched September 17, 2007 Share September 17, 2007 I agree[thumbsup] In many motorsports or Car racing, Rally is the one that the car get beaten the most. These ite students assemble a car which never break down and WIN the race is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearbear1494 Clutched September 17, 2007 Share September 17, 2007 Bro, I'm an ex-ITE student myself. I've been through countless interviews that leave me with the feeling that my NTC cert is worth nothing even though I have the required training. I know how it feels to be dismissed by the "elites" of this cruel society. It's disgusting to say the least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Neutral Newbie September 17, 2007 Share September 17, 2007 Nus24 driving hyundai avatar is it ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer Clutched September 17, 2007 Share September 17, 2007 u are feeling blue that why. please read the article again , this time, the right side up. please. what is so difficult about reading the article that you can't catch the meaning behind it? Seriously....is bolting up a car with performance parts really news worthy or to feel proud about?Can anyone tell me which part is engineered or designed by local/ITE? Is the race driver even local, at least? Please don't flame me....I am just feeling blue this Monday and need to voice out my cynical mind! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearbear1494 Clutched September 17, 2007 Share September 17, 2007 I admire these students' spirit more than anything else. As all ITE students know, a big majority of the students have a couldn't-care-less attitude. To them, excelling in what they do means nothing, since they're already at the bottom of the schooling barrel. I'd say this is a self-esteem issue. But for these particular students, they took pride in what they do, they set their minds on working hard & this is what they achieved. Even if these guys didn't help on the more critical components of the rally car, just the fact that they're allowed to touch the car means that these guys have the skills. Would any rally team allow any Tom, Dick or Harry to work on their cars? No! I only wish I had worked harder during my ITE days. I mean, helping MotorImage to build a rally car would look really really great on the resume, wouldn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer Clutched September 17, 2007 Share September 17, 2007 your are right about being part of something. the sense of belonging is very important to bring out the best of anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Neutral Newbie September 17, 2007 Share September 17, 2007 Kudos to you for the comments Frankly it just shows how shallow our society has become. People has less respect for other who are not high educated. I have frens who from ITE, some are COM holder ( sorry not the term ) or the top 5%. They skip the 1st year poly and become top 5% again after which they went of to NUS or NTU somemore on scholarship. I have also frens who graduated from ITE, came out concentrated on their trade and now earning alots of $$$$$$$$. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickscientist Clutched September 17, 2007 Share September 17, 2007 Bro, I'm an ex-ITE student myself. I've been through countless interviews that leave me with the feeling that my NTC cert is worth nothing even though I have the required training. I know how it feels to be dismissed by the "elites" of this cruel society. It's disgusting to say the least. Have to agree bro... We cant let the society(the TS ultimately) look down on us... We may not excel academically, but with our hands that we create... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeobh 4th Gear September 17, 2007 Share September 17, 2007 (edited) I for one would not want to waste my time explaining to someone whose head is filled with pride and nose pointing skyward. Unless one has the hand-one experience of tearing down an engine down to the last bolt & nut and rebuilting it back to original specifications & test run it, one cannot exprience the deep satifaction and even how much explaination will not make a mud head appreciate the amount of work,knowledge, care and study required to set- up the engine. PS Thumbs up for all who speak for ITE graduates - they have all the rights to earn a decent living and be respected by the sociey at large. Edited September 17, 2007 by Yeobh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavver 4th Gear September 17, 2007 Share September 17, 2007 (edited) TS owned ! I'm from ITE too ! When come to nuts and bolts It's Too Easy for us ! We study It's To Enjoy, not like the ELITE who crack their head for A'lvl ... However if you mess with us .. It's The End for you !!! Edited September 17, 2007 by Cavver Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeobh 4th Gear September 17, 2007 Share September 17, 2007 Great, but please don't try to frighten all the paper tigers. Just slowly soak them in water and they will understand what is trade knowldege and skills. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freestylers09 5th Gear September 17, 2007 Share September 17, 2007 (edited) 10 years ago...i admit i do have such thinking of urs when i'm in secondary...but gradually as i open my eye and see, actually i feel my self very stupid and dumb to think this way and change my perception of people just by looking thier appearance,thier qualifications,what kind of car they driving bla bla bla...now i changed alot since i stepped out to work few years ago...luckily i changed,if not i will miss out alot chances in life. i associated with different level kind of people throughout and i feel never condemn people what they dont have compare to us...coz we might be wrong what they really have is what we dont have...we never know...i know if i going treat people this way..i will tend lose alot in life in return..be it in PR or wat...for your own good..better dont have such thought... i always find this quite true "someone muz learn to be bad once,in order to know how to get better in future" Edited September 17, 2007 by Freestylers09 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freestylers09 5th Gear September 17, 2007 Share September 17, 2007 soak in water??remind me of the CIA tactic they used recently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavver 4th Gear September 17, 2007 Share September 17, 2007 In time to come , we will see one joining the paper pulp.. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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