OPC offenders Beware

[Scoots]

He was thinking that your posts' arrows are slowly shifting from OPC offenders to OPCs, I was just letting him know why. You have something to hide?

 

And i have stated what's on my mind: I find your posts hypocritical.

 

Do some comprehensive reading

Edited September 14, 2007 by Scoots

[Maroon5]

tho opc cheaters are quite irritating, the ones that i def wont hesitate to report are normal cars who park at the handicap lot....damn inconsiderate!

[Scoots]

Off topic:

Yeah! I once say one merc, parked slanted in a handicap lot of a HDB multi-storey carpark..... washing car

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[Memory]

I would like to what strong arguement you have with OPC offfffenders.

 

Sometimes I really can't help but think people who buy OPC car are those who can't afford driving a normal plate car but want to boost their ego by owning one. And they go about boosting their moral by acting superior and shooting those that are more superior than them.

cannot like that say lei bro, a lot of ppl drving OPC coz their schedule fit in the timing or they really dun need the car from 7am-7pm ma.. The thread is about OPC offenders not OPC driver find the the arrow slowly shooting towards OPC drivers liao

 

 

Later I did post:

 

I also can't believe these people don't actually need to drive in the day during weekdays.

Unbelievable! Especially those luxury car with red plate, but of course, we don't jump in conclusion. So for those who works like owl or having OPC as 2nd car, I respect.

 

Car is a luxury and not a need in Singapore.

 

Now I can't help but to think that these, not all OPC, but more specifically OPC offenders, who don't need cars, don't work odd hours, don't own other better cars, are forming the main culprit of accidental incidents. They change their intented course abruptly and drive impatiently. Looks like they are quite gcgl, petty, rude and incorrigeable, just a bunch of them.

 

Car is a luxury in Singapore.

[Scoots]

Wow!... and you managed to figure allllll that out by yourself!?...

Edited September 14, 2007 by Scoots

[Memory]

Off topic:

Yeah! I once say one merc, parked slanted in a handicap lot of a HDB multi-storey carpark..... washing car

 

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Edited September 14, 2007 by Memory

[Memory]

只限官放火, 不许民点灯

[Scoots]

Err... anyone understanding what this guy is saying?

Edited September 14, 2007 by Scoots

[Memory]

Wow!... and you managed to figure allllll that out by yourself!?...

 

I don't want to guess what you mean, we in a forum, not in kongfu fighting.

 

Now, I can't help but to think you are very childish, becoming more and more ridiculous. Anyway I have the time, unlike you, must beware get sacked by your boss looking behind you.

[Milgram]

Hi all,

 

There was a very long and heated discussion on OPC offenders a few months back (I was a participant) Honestly speaking, this thread is nothing but just some kid blowing off steam at seeing (very likely) a OPC OFFENDER(s) with some cute babe(s) as a passenger while he, being the law-abiding citizen driving his (dad's?) normal plate car, only gets to bring his guy friends around.

 

I don't think we really need to go into a REAL debate/fight between OPC and non-OPC owners. There are a few points which I think we can all (seriously) agree on:

 

1. OPC have as much right to use the roads, during the stipulated timings

2. With valid coupon, OPCs are just as equal as normal plated cars

3. OPC and non-OPC owners alike do not agree to OPC OFFENDERS

4. OPC is not the cause of heavy traffic/road congestions

5. Let the government do their job of enforcing the law

 

as our government would say: move on.

 

Actually, I see no difference between your stand and Herk's - both of you agree that OPC offenders are wrong (pt. 3). Herk's argument for his opposition is a tad bit too simple though...OPC offenders clogging up the roads is hardly a good argument for reporting them to the authorities for breaking the law. Personally, I think what cheeses non-OPC as well as law-abiding OPC drivers is the perception of unfairness - why should we pay that much more road tax or pay the $20 coupon for driving during restricted hours when there are CB law-flouting OPC drivers who try to skive on paying the $20 coupon and just go around during restricted hours without one? Within enclosed grounds (like NTU) I still think not too bad, when the distance travelled is too marginal to matter...but when it's blatantly done on relatively more public roads that it becomes a problem. For the record, I personally believe that most OPC drivers are law abiding...it's just a handful of CBs who are causing a negative overall perception...quite sad...I think anyone with a rational mind would agree that such CBs must be apprehended and prevented from doing something like this again..

Edited September 14, 2007 by Milgram

[Scoots]

with everyone else, I can engage in a meaningful and civil exchange.

 

Unfortunately, I have to adopt the approach that you are familiar with when 'conversing' with you: the nonsensical.

 

So if it suddenly dawn on you that this behaviour is childish and rediculous, take a good look in the mirror.

 

Don't worry. My boss is looking over my shoulder and laughing together with me as I type this. Thanks for your concern

[Scoots]

What you have said is totally right! I have never endorsed not using a valid coupon and that I just don't agree with the excuse that OPC offenders are the cause of traffic jams.

 

However, as the definition of use of the OPC is not totally clear, coupled with this 'unfairness' feeling of the different groups of road users, some differences surfaced. (eg: there are those who think that moving a OPC within your own house's compond by 1cm still need a valid coupon)

 

The thing is that we should approach all issues factually and objectively and not emotionally and subjectively

Edited September 14, 2007 by Scoots

[Memory]

What you have said is totally right! I have never endorsed not using a valid coupon and that I just don't agree with the excuse that OPC offenders are the cause of traffic jams.

 

However, as the definition of use of the OPC is not totally clear, coupled with this 'unfairness' feeling of the different groups of road users, some differences surfaced. (eg: there are those who think that moving a OPC within your own house's compond by 1cm still need a valid coupon)

 

The thing is that we should approach all issues factually and objectively and not emotionally and subjectively

 

I can't believe you still didn't get your thinking right. Do some comprehensive reading ®

 

If you are driving an OPC, how can you claim that you are not clear about it? Better now go do some research n reading instead of spouting here.

 

Last sentence I agree.

[Milgram]

Actually bro, the use of an OPC is definitely clear...it is given in the LTA guidelines... It is the people who are messing it up... Strictly and objectively speaking, OPC drivers should stick to the guidelines as stipulated... But the problem is that sometimes, OPC drivers try to bend the rules...which is normal..everyone bends rules at some point in their life right? So some go out in their OPCs at about 6.55pm or leave their house at about 6.30am but knowing that they need about 40 mins to get to their workplace (thus reaching their work place at about 7.10am)...some go around their private estate during restricted hours because they think it's alright as they are going onto public roads...If you want to talk about objectively and sticking to the rules clearly, these are WRONG. But most of us, including myself, are unlikely to pick on such stuffs..I mean I'm alright with them going outside the restricted hours +/- 10 mins or so...15 mins also ok...so we create GREY areas for the interpretation of the laws (which is supposed to be BLACK and WHITE)... Some CBs just take the GREY area way beyond what is considered to be reasonable - travelling the entire day without a valid $20 coupon...going out of the house at 6.00pm or 6.55am (and reaching the office at 7.35am) without a valid coupon. So as you can see, that's what a comprehensive analysis would look like..

[Memory]

Well said.

[Nlatio]

Very very well say....

 

It is all those CB who think they own the road (incl OPC driver who don't put coupon during Peak, driver who don't signal, kayu driver who don't know whhere the hell he wanted to go, driver who cannot tell right from left, driver who hog the road, driver who speed excessively, drink driving, tcss on phone while driving, driver trying to get his mei mei to sing karaoke while driving... ) that is causing all this problem....

[Scoots]

Here we go again:

 

Here's the LTA link I showed you the last time:

 

http://www.lta.gov.sg/motoring_matters/index_motoring_vo.htm.

 

Check out the Off Peak Car scheme definitions before you adopt your high and mighty stand that you are the one in the right.

 

I can't believe you still can't get your thinking right. Do some comprehensive reading

 

And yes, I am a OPC owner who knows what is right. I cannot say the same for you

Edited September 14, 2007 by Scoots

[Scoots]

Agree with your rationale.

 

Because the scope in which you sited is within what most people (at least I think most people should) accept as "use" of the OPC

 

There are some members here who see the following as requiring a valid coupon:

 

1.Shifting of OPC within multi-storey carpark. (possible reasons: to go to/from washing bay on ground floor, carpark painting works near your parked car ...)

 

2.Shifting of OPC within you own house compound by 1cm

 

3.Shifting of OPC at workshop (OPC sent in for repairs/servicing)

 

I agree these definitely fall within an area subjected to interpretation. But if we can tolerate OPCs being used outside of the stipulated timings by a few minutes or so, I seriously think no one should have a problem with the above mentioned scenerios right?

Edited September 14, 2007 by Scoots