Accident - Straight VS Right Turn

[Agnoxis]

Does anyone here have prior experience with dealing such an accident? Basically, Vehicle A (a motorcycle) goes straight at a traffic junction (showing green light). Suddenly, Vehicle B (a car) turns right from the opposite lane (showing green light, but NOT yet the green arrow) and as a result, Vehicle A collides into Vehicle B's front left wheel. Of course, the motorcycle loses out in this situation; the rider gets flung 10 metres like a ragdoll, breaks his leg and gets hospitalised. The driver of Vehicle B stopped, gave some comments and left without a scratch.

 

How do the Traffic Police calculate the % liability for each vehicle in such a case? I've actually read from some other forums' replies that this is usually considered 80% fault of Vehicle B, which means Vehicle A is still considered to be 20% at fault! This sounds pretty unfair to me, because if we're talking about right of way, there's little doubt as to who was at fault.

 

Hoping to hear some constructive replies soon.

[Superblackbox]

Hi ther..

Personally if u talk about right of way.No one owns anyone the right of way when it comes to traffic.

But in this story u wrote.My guess wont be the car fault(B).THought he dont haf the green light to turn which if it.The bike should stop.But for this car,he can only turn right if the condition allows him to do so.

As for the motorbike.Its green and advantage on his side.

 

Depending on witness report (if have)It will be in the hands on the Mar-Ta to deal with.

When every accidents happens.Both side haf to pay (most cases). If u have witness plus evidence.Chances are better.

 

I had a fren riding bike. WHen it was green for him to turn right.The car who was suppose to stop due to REDLIGHT on the opposite traffic.Beat the red light n crash into my fren n FLED the scene.

Now u can say its a HIT N RUN rite. BUT NO> ENd of the day after 3 weeks of investigation.my fren was FINE 6 POINTS +$120 for reckless riding. . Wht can i say???

[Icekitten]

It seems reasonable to me that Vehicle A should take a small portion of blame too.

 

Reason being, the motorcycle collided into the car's left side, meaning that the biker should have seen the car turning or about to make the turn and should have slowed down upon approaching the junction or given a warning horn. Not to forget that usually Vehicle A would have a better view of traffic than Vehicle B as Vehicle B's view of oncoming traffic might be obscured by right-turning vehicles in Vehicle A's lane.

 

If the motorcycle had collided with the car's front, then it would have been a different story and the car should be wholly at fault.

[Agnoxis]

Woah, that really sounds like a horror story. Hope your friend is alright.

 

Anyway, that junction happens to be a T junction; there were no right-turning vehicles in the motorcycle's direction to obscure the view of Vehicle B. As for going slow, Vehicle A was already travelling very slowly when suddenly, some bugger car appeared in front of it. Sometimes, even with 0s reaction time, it's really impossible to stop in time.

 

What can I say? Vehicle A sway lohhh...still have to foot 20% blame for a collision caused by others.

[Curahee]

IMO, car that go straight should have the right of way right?

[Superblackbox]

20% of the blame is ok. but if haf to pay 20% of the bill to fix the car.. er...hard to say for that. IF becuase of someone's fault and Kenna Points n FINE. Bo HUa...

 

I once kenn an accident. I was moving straight on the left lane.Can say its a bus lane lah.THen this car on the right side of me.Did nt check blind spot,Suddenly turn out to turn left into a carpark. I was super man for a few secs.

 

My front fairing was damaged a little. The was front side was dented.But leeast the driver's first response was. "R u ok. do u need to go to the hospital" IT was comforting and the driver was a little Limping"

 

CUt short story.We did nt make police report as i substain minor injury and cost to repair bike n car was still ok. If we did make a report. We gain noting but FINE + POINTS!!!! BUt we did write Black N White everything.IF its a small case. Settle it among yurself. U dnt wanna get extra points or FINES. Depending how serious the case is also.

[Getzx]

Vehicle B is at fault , as it was turning. A has the right of way .

 

 

Veh B fail to give way. Unless it was red for Veh A and right turn green arrow for B. Then A will be at fault.

[Icekitten]

It's like that one la. Coz if crash into the side, TP will presume that Vehicle A should have been able to see the car and ebrake to stop in time, furthermore he should have been slowing down as precaution since it was a junction. If couldn't stop in time, there's a probability that Vehicle A had been speeding.

 

Can't really make a fuss about getting 20% blame for an accident caused by others. If it had been caused by your friend, it wouldn't be only 20% blame oredi. Did your friend get any fine or demerit points? It's likely that the driver of the car got a fine and demerit points.

[Secondhand]

Hi ther..

Personally if u talk about right of way.No one owns anyone the right of way when it comes to traffic.

But in this story u wrote.My guess wont be the car fault(B).THought he dont haf the green light to turn which if it.The bike should stop.But for this car,he can only turn right if the condition allows him to do so.

As for the motorbike.Its green and advantage on his side.

 

Depending on witness report (if have)It will be in the hands on the Mar-Ta to deal with.

When every accidents happens.Both side haf to pay (most cases). If u have witness plus evidence.Chances are better.

 

I had a fren riding bike. WHen it was green for him to turn right.The car who was suppose to stop due to REDLIGHT on the opposite traffic.Beat the red light n crash into my fren n FLED the scene.

Now u can say its a HIT N RUN rite. BUT NO> ENd of the day after 3 weeks of investigation.my fren was FINE 6 POINTS +$120 for reckless riding. . Wht can i say???

 

That's the MOST F**KED up investigation I've ever heard!!! Beat red light is one thing... Langga motorcyclist is another. Motorcyclist kanna for reckless riding?! Wat? Blue ants got NO brain to think is it?? If I'm in tat situation, I'll fork out $$ and take legal action.

[Redboy]

I guess this case brings out the importance of defensive driving.

I kena this before. Lights were red & I am waiting for lights to turn green. Once it turns green, as I was in a hurry, I moved off right away & was the 1st car off the lights. Little did I expect a truck to shoot out from opp right turn pocket. Jammed my brakes but cannot prevent collision btw my front bumper & van's side. Truck driver insisted the lights were in his favour(solid green arrow). However, I was sure that the lights were in my favour.

What can I do? It so happened that there were no witnesses willing to step up. After mths of investigation, it's 50-50.

 

Morale of story: If possible, get witnesses. If not, it's hard to justify your case!

[Beanoyip]

So morale of story is don't turn even when the coast is clear, wait for the arrow to come up

[Tanjkp]

Defensive driving is better as even with witness still will drag everyone into arguement, court case etc. Best is keep watchful eyes and be alert and anticipate plus a bit of luck U keep away from troubles that will waste time in reporting, send for repair, worse still need to testify if go to court.

 

Just saw one incident where cars turning right all go when the straight green was free and one P plate followed behind without paying attention that the oncoming was near and he could not clear in time since the front veh all slowly moving. Lucky the straight oncoming slow down flashed h lights only or else there go another accident.

[Poper]

For me... i always give way to motorcycles as i really cannot bear to see them hurt (or worse die) in front of me.. When it comes to road safety, i want to give my 2cts worth

[Lexxmexx]

I am siding no one in this case but I feel that the motorcyclist has the right of way.

 

However, it can be very frustrating to be caught in veh A's position. The traffic light is green but no green arrow yet, and the opposite side appears to be clear (you'll never know if someone might just dash up suddenly). Worst is when some big bus or lorry stopping on the opposite's right turning lane and obscursing the view of veh A. Undering such circumstances, it will always be safer to wait for the green arrow but impatient drivers behind will start horning. What to do under such circumstances?

[Famtng]

I was involved in an accident exactly like what you described here with a Taxi. Lucky for me the taxi passenger was willing to be my withness and pointed out that the taxi turn before the arrow came on ( I still remember the first thing that taxi uncle said to me when i got out of my car was i beat the red light!!). Anyway i managed to claim 100% from his insurance. If you can get a withness, it helps alot i guess...good luck!

[Santarene]

Haha, no lah, morale of story shd be: Wait until the coast is really clear b4 u drive straight ahead or turn. Dont be bothered even when there r cars behind u honking at u!

[Superblackbox]

That's the MOST F**KED up investigation I've ever heard!!! Beat red light is one thing... Langga motorcyclist is another. Motorcyclist kanna for reckless riding?! Wat? Blue ants got NO brain to think is it?? If I'm in tat situation, I'll fork out $$ and take legal action. [/reply]

 

hi bro.No use one if u take legal action against then.it will go on n on n on.

Thts y i was saying. Once Matar is involed plus evidence from both sides. who is right or wrong may sure end up getting some points plus FINES from both side.

They haf every rule.

 

If i m nt wrong.they got

-Reckless Driving

-Inconsiderate Driving

-Dangerous Driving

 

This may be classified again the driver or rider. If i m wrong,pls point it out for the above 3 rulings. This is wht i heard...

 

No one owns the other party the right of way.

[Superblackbox]

Its nice to knw ther are nice and considerate drivers like u....