Autoexpress Tyre Test 2006

[Genie47]

Bravuris? Yeah it is considered UHP but I suspect it is a comfort tire disguised as a UHP. The comments I get are that the thread grooves are very very deep and thick. Rotated twice already. Didn't do crazy things with it but straight on the wet, inspires much confidence cutting through at 90kph in torrential rain if not for the visibility.

 

Dunno about the Bravuris 2. It is an asym design. 70-80 bucks a tire which makes it about the same price as Bravuris 1.

Edited December 31, 2007 by Genie47

[Kelpie]

Bravuris? Yeah it is considered UHP but I suspect it is a comfort tire disguised as a UHP. The comments I get are that the thread grooves are very very deep and thick. Rotated twice already. Didn't do crazy things with it but straight on the wet, inspires much confidence cutting through at 90kph in torrential rain if not for the visibility.

 

Dunno about the Bravuris 2. It is an asym design. 70-80 bucks a tire which makes it about the same price as Bravuris 1.

 

$70-$80 each is quite a steal. Wonder it can be abused like going 190Km or beyond. I asked because some tire heat disspation rate not good enough and may cause the tire to burst at high temperature. Anyway, if Bravuris 2 is as good as a CSC3 or Eagle F1 then can try liao . Serious, can do?

 

Regards,

[Genie47]

I have no idea about the Bravuris 2.

 

The Bravuris 1 got heat issues. It failed for the dry handling because the test was more like a torture than a dry handling test. It was losing traction as it heated up.

[Kelpie]

1. This is what I've gotten from the Bravuris Website:

 

Technical details

Barum is launching its first tyre with an asymmetrical tread pattern - the Bravuris 2. This means the brand now has a high-tech product in its range that is capable of speeds up to 300 km/h (187 mph).It looks like a UHP to me.

 

Mileage

 

- Minimum deformation under load - optimized ground pressure distribution due to the new, optimized tyre contor

 

- Tyres with the hightest speed ratings (W/Y) are possible due to the super-flat belt design

 

- New, modern silica tread compound

 

Performance

 

- Open tread pattern structure for faster water dispersion due to the numerous blocks and sipes

 

- Good grip on wet roads due to the new, modernsilica tread compound free of high aromatic oils

 

- Quick and efficient water dispersion away from the contact patch due to the addtional shoulder grooves and steep grooves in the tread centre

 

Handling

 

- Stiff, interlinked shoulder blocks

 

- Optimal stability nd precise steering due to the circumferential ribs

 

- Handling stability and safe braking on dry roads due to the large tread lugs on the tyre outer side

 

- Maximal traction and outstanding braking power thourgh sturdy lugs

 

Braking

 

- Solid tread blocks and ribs

 

- Evenly-distributed ground pressure due to the stiff design

 

- Optimized transmission of traction and braking forces

 

- Reduced risk of aquaplaning and safety during braking in the wet due to the large numbers of lugs on the tyre inner side

 

2. It seems to fit the description of CSC 3 and the tread markings are quite similar too. By the way, how did you decide on the BB1? Cost?

 

3. Do you know, Barum was founded by the shoe maker, BATA? It entered into a JV with Continental in 1992 and is now part of the Continental group...no wonder the design look quite similar, perhaps there is some tech transfer too. This reminded me of the business relationship between Michelin and Hankook.

 

Regards,

Edited January 1, 2008 by Kelpie

[Genie47]

I know it is from Bata. The Ba in Barum is the Bata part.Bata is from Zlin. Rubena is the RU part and they are from Nachod. The last company is Matador from Bratislava. They form the M. Combined they are BARUM. The first 2 companies are from the Czech Republic while Matador is from Slovakia. Partnership with Continental started way back in 1992.

 

Matador is also selling tires themselves. Com4tyres is selling the Matador MP42 Elite (MP42, like silenced submachinegun ). In an Autoexpress tire test, it was the most quiet tire but also lousiest in performance. Forgot which year.

 

I bought Bravuris due to cost and also at the same time its rankings in the 2004 and 2005 tests. In 2004 it was 3rd and 2005 it was 11th. My car is 2004. Right now I think no ranking.

 

Another funny reason I like the tire is the rounded shoulders. Not many UHP tires have rounded shoulders. It made the tire look smaller than it's said size. If you compare with SPT KU31, the tire looks and also feels bigger than it's said size. Bro used it and there was tire rubbing on the fenders though he has no problem with the Falkens of the same size.

 

I have no idea how the B2 stacks against other tires. No reviews yet. Automotive Technologies at 3 International Road is selling it. I inquired and the price is very nice at 70-80 bucks a piece for my size.

 

See what the fellas at Autoworld says about it.

 

http://www.autoworld.com.my/forum/allposts...+Barum+Bravuris

Edited January 1, 2008 by Genie47

[Genie47]

BTW, if you are interested in UHP tires only tests, somebody at Autoworld posted the results from a magazine he read.

 

The testers tested the tires on FWD and RWD cars. So they added more strict conditions (like any performance oriented magazine). Sampling size is small considered to Autoexpress.

 

http://www.autoworld.com.my/forum/allposts...yre+Test+Result

[Kelpie]

1. I chance upon some Honda forums in USA and Europe and I'm surprised that BB1 received relatively good comments from them. They stacked it against the top brands. In general, they liked its grip on wet and low noise level. There were some negative comments, mostly on its precision on dry, I wonder why??? Oh dear, I now seriously thinking about getting the BB2. Not so much of its price but of my liking to try out the good rated "underdogs".

 

2. Are our BB manufactured in Malaysia? I chanced upon a Satria forum and they said theirs were made locally. They like to compare it against F1 and Hankook Z212.

 

Regards,

[Genie47]

Yes, it is made in Malaysia. Says so on my tire. Possibly by Sime Darby since Continental has partnership with Sime. Sime tyre compared to the BB, Sime tyre no fight and Sime tyre more expensive than the BB.

 

Precision on the dry must be due to the heat issue. It failed the dry handling completely, remember?

 

As you can see, tire design has a lot of factors. Can't have your cake and eat it.

Edited January 1, 2008 by Genie47

[Kelpie]

Yes, it is made in Malaysia. Says so on my tire. Possibly by Sime Darby since Continental has partnership with Sime. Sime tyre compared to the BB, Sime tyre no fight and Sime tyre more expensive than the BB.

 

Precision on the dry must be due to the heat issue. It failed the dry handling completely, remember?

 

As you can see, tire design has a lot of factors. Can't have your cake and eat it.

 

1. The last thing you want to have on the journey is to have burst tyres due to heat. Super dangerous. Anyway, I've TPMS to help me monitor the heat. Will be looking at BB2 and hope it has better heat resistence since its specification is better than BB1.

 

2. You see, some people are dead worried about where the tyre is manfactured, particularly those from China. I hope MY QC is alot better than those in China. The shop that you bought the tyres from, do you know whether they do trade-in and sell rims too?

 

Regards,

[Abba]

Interesting test group,

[Genie47]

Same reason why the groups of people selected for certain health studies don't look homogeneous. Done in a way there is no biase towards performance based or comfort based in whole sampling.

[Kelpie]

Any test have at least one fixed constant. In the Autoexpress test, all the tires are 185/60R14.

 

It is not funny. It makes sense.

 

Not many cars on the roads are using 14" these days right? Perhaps, thats why we don't get to see much of the UHP in teh review. Also not many 14" UHPs are found here, thats why we don't see the relevance here at least based on local context.

 

Regards,