Which performance part helps the most?

[Slayer]

I am a noob at modding and experts please entertain and share your opinions. I believe there are better performance parts but i dunno what they are. Just want to learn more

 

the best part to mod is between the driver seat and the steering wheel.

 

for acedemic reason, for discussion sake, there are plenty of free info on the net.

 

forums is best used to clarify things.. provide u already absorbed some basics from books and texts. u will be lost without it. i did.

[Genie47]

Let me quote Adolf Galland as advice for what you need in performance.

 

First of all, you need speed. Manoeuvrability is good, but speed is the most important thing. Next, acceleration, which is important. Then climbing. I would not say this is the right order. A good mix of these, and a stable platform for your weapons, you need.

 

BTW he is also the same who said that "very maneuverable also means very unstable".

 

 

Finally,

 

Only the spirit of attack, born in a brave heart, will bring success to any fighter aircraft, no matter how highly developed it may be.

 

Got TC, got SC, got lowered suspension, got Eagle F1s, got front and rear antiroll bar, got braces, got strut bars but boh ji = not fast car.

[BMW320i]

"Got TC, got SC, got lowered suspension, got Eagle F1s, got front and rear antiroll bar, got braces, got strut bars but boh ji = not fast car."

 

Thats true.

 

In reply to Carmaniac's question, "Which Performance Part helps the most" ?

 

Ans: Private Part helps the most.

Edited June 7, 2006 by BMW320i

[Elfenstar]

yes it does, nobody has disputed that. but how do you compare a suspension mod to a power mod?

 

Its like someone asking me if apple or orange juice tastes better on the whole. They're both juices but they taste different. You can't quantify the difference which means you can't compare as different people will have different opinions.

 

If you think otherwise, why don't you tell me how to compare performance gains from suspension mods to performance gains from power mods, because frankly i'm stumped.

 

Edit: MCF has a 20/30 window to edit your posts. but if you cant edit it and need to make a correction, try replying to the same person (in this case chisiang) again as he/she/it may not notice your correction till after he replies to your initial post.

Edited June 7, 2006 by Elfenstar

[Jusjazz]

Nobody is disputing that either, but it seems you dont get it...

 

Carmaniac`s question is: which "Performance part" helps the most, and not "Power mod" helps the most, so our answers have to be clear in order no to mislead others, unless you wanna change his statement.

 

Likewise what Genie says that speed is the key. Without a good set of suspensions, you loose speed during corners, and asking for trouble during corners as you may flip if you pushed too hard. With a good suspension and together with those bars in conjunction, you have little to worry right, and thats what I feel it`s a kinda hidden power you get for that mod.

Edited June 7, 2006 by Jusjazz

[Elfenstar]

What I'm saying is that ALL help. He has listed a few diff mods and is asking us to compare them to find out which helps performance the most. Just that its hard to quantify how suspension would help more/less than any of the other listed mods as the rest can be compared by a cost-power gain ratio. (i.e. yes it does result in a gain, but how are u able to compare that gain to the gains of the other listed mods, and without being able to compare, how would you know if the suspension gain is more or less than the performance part that helps the most?)

 

If its that easy to compare all the options, why don't you tell me where a suspension upgrade lies in the hierachy, and why its performance gain is better or worse than all the other mods.

[Jusjazz]

But at least it campares in par with the ECU upgrades in the lists of mods listed, and who cares how much hp, bhp or whp gains unless u win in a race and thats all I personally think... and thats whats it`s all about in the cartoon series Initial D, although u just driving a piece of junk!!!

[Watwheels]

In s'pore no point to know so much cos the mods to make significant results are illegal anyway.

 

The performance part helps me most is my heavy right foot.

[BMW320i]

hey come on ... leave initial D out of this.

 

I wonder how economical viable the business can be to sell tofu and pay for all the tyres his son smoked every morning.

[Elfenstar]

care to qualify how it ss compared to an ECU mod?

 

IMHO as long as you're happy with your car and can attain the kind of fun you want from your car then the goal is achieved.

 

Initial D... biggest BS i can think of. fortunately its just a cartoon and a crap movie.

 

Their so called "experts" somehow or other come up with cars winning that real world racing and comparisons have shown to be false. At least the cartoon is fairly entertaining.

 

i can tell you why a good suspension upgrade and tune is best of all the mods, but its because of how and where i drive. I can't say its the most helpful mod across the board as i cannot qualify it.

Edited June 7, 2006 by Elfenstar

[BMW320i]

Hi Jusjazz,

 

I guess what Elfenstar is trying to say is, considering the above list given. Here is how it can be classified as.

 

Gain HP/Torque figures

 

1) NOS

2) Supercharger

3) Turbocharger

4) ECU

 

Supporting Mods (Does not gain hp but rather allow you to achieve higher hp safely)

 

1) Intercooler

2) ECU

 

Handling Mods

 

1) Suspension

 

What Elfenstar is trying to say is that the function of each and every mod listed by the threadstarter is rather hard to determine what provides the best performance.

 

In this case I guess through the 3 different category, it is somewhat hard to measure. Suspension being the one that cannot be measured in terms of hp gains.

 

As for the rest, there are "Numerical Gains" in which we can use as reference.

 

Suspension is a very subjective matter with regards to performance mod. One cannot say a car maxed out with handling mods will be quicker than an identical car which is 500hp above stock ratings.

 

Neither can one say a car maxed out with all handling mods is slower than a 1.6L block with a TD06-20G turbocharger reason being it'll end up being slower due to turbolag.

 

Lets take this with a pinch of salt. Some people go for figures, some go for thrills around the corners. Whichever satisfy you the most will do.

Edited June 7, 2006 by BMW320i

[Elfenstar]

Thank you. I definately could not have put what i meant as well as u just did!! (how ironic )

Edited June 7, 2006 by Elfenstar

[BMW320i]

Call 1800 Learn English

 

Just Kidding

[Jusjazz]

Says comparing in terms of to what sense? Hp gains or performance gains? Hp gains of course the ECU stands out, but in performance I`m 100% pretty sure the suspension mods outshines over the ECU mods in a racetrack between two cars of same make & model...

Edited June 7, 2006 by Jusjazz

[Elfenstar]

Arts student lah... english is fine... talking straight to the point isnt

[BMW320i]

oh ...

 

Single or double major ?

[Elfenstar]

Not necessarily. you have to remember that an ECU mod may result not just in more top end as it can affect everything from increasing the range of the power/torque curves to even having anti-lag in a TC car. What happens if the gain is sufficient that the car with stock suspension gets ahead enough through acceleration and average and top speeds that the time gains in the corners for the suspension modded car is insufficient to win?

 

Any of these mods can be the most helpful. Its the scenario and specifics of each that affect it. I'm just being objective without letting my personal preferences in mods affect my take on what would be most helpful. Without knowing the specifics, all the mods other than the suspension affect the power/torque curves so they can be roughly compared to each other. NOS gives you power gains, TC's give you power gains, SC's give you power gains, intercoolers and ECUs allow you to have power gains while the suspension can't be compared along the same lines.

 

Its not that its not important or it doesnt affect performance. Its just that it cant be compared to along the same line as the rest.

[Elfenstar]

Neither... double degree and double major... psych, soci and social work