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Ronnie

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David vizard, of the now defunct motortec magazine as the independant tester?

 

Sorry if this sounds wierd, but he profited from reviewing the oil, even the www.x3e.biz website says so. Thats enough to make me discount his reviews.

 

As for the claims, I am still wondering why there isnt an approach to real R&D labs for a proper readout and investigation, but approaching magazines instead. [gossip]

 

There was use of other brand oils... imho, it's contamination. Because of the possible additives that is already present. (How do we know it's not the mobil 1 additive that helped?)

 

Hey, but it's your product. :) I am more inclined to promote this product if the company is brave enough to guarrenty and pay for the engine rebuild if someone uses the product and it fails. [flowerface]

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X3ebiz

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"There was use of other brand oils... imho, it's contamination. Because of the possible additives that is already present. (How do we know it's not the mobil 1 additive that helped?) " read the test...indicates runs done with the different oils. The tester did benefit from the test with the mule engine, ONLY if the Oil works and leaving behind a healthy engine. It take some simple common sense to understand this, having a worn out engine is just scrap metal....about $4 a kilo or something.

 

"Hey, but it's your product. :) I am more inclined to promote this product if the company is brave enough to guarrenty and pay for the engine rebuild if someone uses the product and it fails."

 

Many companies has warranties, but the fine print indicates a lot of disclamers.....plus oil itself cannot just make an engine fail...more than often is a mechanical fault. a simple out of balance pulley can increase bearing wear by 5 times or even cause real engine failures.

 

Good products gets repeat business, not just on the PRICE point.

 

try using a basic cheap engine oil.....will the engine fail? NO! just more wear through time....how long? depends on driving habits....bearing failures are the first....depends on the driving style....too many to indicate actual fault..... I have a friend who doesn't even change oil, just top up his oil and change the filter every year. His engine lasted 13 years!

 

Oil EXTREME engine oil is just $60 per 4 litres! plus till end of Feb. while stock last, 3 bottles of Gas extreme is included in the package. Add $20 and get 8 more bottles of GAS extreme and 1 bottle of Oil concentrate.

 

visit www.x3e.biz now

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Ronnie

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disclaimers? nah.. cant be bothered to visit a second time. tacky and unprofessional website... with a extreme oil rep here, u can seek his 'advise'. lol. i'm sure he will direct you to "read the test" many times.

 

this kind of pre-sales work i also like.... "Go read the F manual, dont ask me how to check email, surf net or setup your computer."

 

like i said before, the -only- independent tester the company engages, profits from doing the test, and thats waaaayy too much for me. it's just like NKF engaging PWH for audit and somehow KPMG can dig out more dirt. 'nuff said.

 

good products don't just go through 1 time of independant review btw. There will be tonnes of independent lab reviews and quality endorsement. None of which I see at a simple glance on the site. and i'm not just talking about this particular product, but some oter ones as well.

 

Maybe one day, someone will pedal a product in a 'singer' oil bottle and promises you BHP and wear prevention at a few drops.

 

Maybe, hey... it's the original oil recipe?

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Genie47

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Analysis uses atomic absorption spectrophotometer and not a mesh filter to trap metal wear. rolleyes.gif BTW, you know motor oil's job is to suspend wear particles do you? That means they do get past the filter.

 

This is very vague language. Valvoline multigrade oil with no grade specified? It is like some of the scientific publications I read quoting from one: "xxx brand Ultrapure reagent was used". In other words, it means "I dunno what I put in except for what it says in the bottle." shakehead.gif Then they put in Mobil 1. What grade? rolleyes.gif

The Mobil 1 did indeed show a little more output than the Valvoline mineral oil but that was totally expected.

 

You can get around by using Mobil 1 0W20 and Valvoline Durablend 15W40 and it will show that Mobil 1 have more output. Let's call it an "oversight". kiss.gifsly.gif

 

Apart from the bores the cam and lifters also exhibited unusual signs. First all the lifters showed the perfect break in pattern. The finish was glass smooth as were the cam lobes. An unexpected feature of the cam finish was that the surface hardness had gone up about 5 points harder than is normally found on a fully broken in flat tappet cam.

 

Very simple explanation for this.

 

When an engine is running at full oil pressure, there is "hydrodynamic lubrication". There is absolutely no metal-to-metal contact at all. Like they say in my business, cells are life, the rest are details. So here are the details in this possible scenario:

 

They take the new cam and lifters. Put in a "leading synthetic oil". The lack of oil pressure upon inital startup results in "boundary lubrication", causing significant metal-to-metal contact. Then they take the engine apart inspect and tada! We have significant wear.

 

Then they put back the engine. With a bypass filter on the engine to prevent large particulates from scratching the bearing surface they start the engine a few hundred times. The "boundary lubrication" condition during startups will gradually hone the bearing surface and the mating shaft surface to an "extremely smooth" condition. scholar.gif

 

Are they lying? No. They are not referencing with scientific procedures nor are they doing unbiased side-by-side comparisons. The "test" just goes to prove that Oil Extreme is good for your engine. flowerface.gif

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Stary

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Please read the test AGAIN.

 

interesting quotes:

 

An extensive break in procedure was done prior to starting our tests. This involved an initial break-in using a quality Valvoline multigrade mineral oil. The motor was fired up and run for 20 minutes no-load to break in the cam. This oil was then dumped and the contents of the System One stainless steel mesh filter were checked for debris.

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Genie47

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Excuse me but you keep asking us to read the test. I have read the test and put up critic to the test procedure. Do you have anything else to say but "read the test". Can you answer to my critique?

 

60 bucks for Group II basestock with calcium overbase? I can get 55% Group III for $35 for 4L.

 

Are you using this discussion to avoid paying MCF the $20 to advertize for your products and website? dizzy.gif The mods are watching.

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Genie47

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like i said before, the -only- independent tester the company engages, profits from doing the test, and thats waaaayy too much for me. it's just like NKF engaging PWH for audit and somehow KPMG can dig out more dirt. 'nuff said.

 

laugh.giflaugh.giflaugh.gif

 

Nah many in the lube business are guilty of it as well. Mobil 1 keeps saying you get more horsepower. Ditto with Royal Purple. Castrol "legally cheated" scores of people saying Group III is "synthetic" and got away with it.

 

Difference from that "test" and the reports from BITOG are that, they actually did atomic absorption spectrophotometry on it. Found out that it is calcium carbonate overbase mind you. Not calcium sulfonate which is widely used now in most motor oils. They did check how long it can last which is around 3k miles before it gets depleted.

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Ronnie

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i want 4 quarts free too! ... i dont mind.... at least go reservist can polish the rifle nice nice..... den i can say the oil so good even bullet pass thru like lau sai!

 

i zhng my rifle leh.. firece a not?

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Acemundo

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hey,

 

but some guys say if engine oil additive makes u feel the engine run smoother and better, it might harm the engine in the longer run cos some compound that makes it smoother might turn to hydrochloric acid (i think) which harms the engine.

 

 

genie

 

maybe u can share wat the the compounds in such engine oil to look out for or avoid.

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X3ebiz

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You are a regular on this forum. How to edit my previous message. will need to remove the $. sorry to inconvenience anyone.

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Linus

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hi there.

 

please refrain from using big, capital letters in your posts.

it means you are "shouting".

 

secondly, you are not suppose to be selling anything in your posts.

 

if you wish to do any selling, please put a ad in the classifieds or get yourself listed on the sponsors' site.

 

please edit your post and delete your contact number from your posts.

 

thank you for your co-operation.

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