My anti-snake oil offensive in this post

[Genie47]

OK there has been some products surfacing over the weekend and this prompts me say something.

 

First of all, X-Rev. It is hard not to miss it because it has been going around in flyers on windscreens in Ikea's carpark.

 

I point you to the website: http://www.x-lube.com/All%20frames.htm

 

It touts the ZeroFriction formula. You know what the surprise is? It has been around. See this link: http://www.lubricants.co.uk/zerof_friction_reducer.html

 

Quite similar to what this product touts: http://www.emtacorp.com/products/default.aspx

 

A lot of fallacies are already evident in their website. I quote their FAQ.

 

Xtreme Lubricants Lab is not oil producing company. We are a lubricant specialist. Unlike the major oil companies, our goal is not to sell more oil, but to develop the most effective lubricant for your automobile. Synthetic oil by itself is a fairly good lubricant for your engine, but it is certainly not the best, especially for high performance cars operating in hot and humid tropical climates.

 

First of all, what is an effective lubricant? High performance cars? You mean sub-120bhp engined cars are high performance? Hot and humid? Since when does an engine mind "hot and humid"? Engines and their oil are extremely comfortable at such temperatures. It is only blizzard cold they start to cough and wheeze. The humidity does affect the oil in a way because this will increase oxidation. Engines are not humans and don't need air conditioning.

 

Major oil companies interested only to sell petrol with increased fuel consumption in cars? Then they won't be selling 20 to 30wt oils and hide these from us! How about Amsoil, cxxxxxe, Royal Purple, Redline and Schaeffer's. They are not associated with any oil company. So they are also interested in increased fuel consumption?

 

What differentiates Xrev ZeroFriction Formula from the various engine oils available in the market is its 3-in-1 proprietary formula which provides the best protection for your engine. Most synthetic engine oils claim to contain additives which is supposed to protect your engine. But they are certainly not of the same quality or quantity as Xrev

[Furrynadz]

[Southpark2000]

[Trex101]

That's a good one

[Mits_jc]

thanks for de-bunking the purported "good" effects of these oils!

[Apollo]

yup, i'm more concerned abt the use of teflon as a modifier into engine additives and cause the black death.

[Genie47]

There are still some people who swear by them.

[X3ebiz]

Please give details on the OIL EXTREME as it seems you know a lot.

 

"Basically Oil Extreme is highly overbased oil. The concentrate itself is calcium sulfonate in PAO. It raises TBN by a lot to HDEO levels. The good news is that it is not some snake oil but you can find it everywhere in your own engine oil."

and

"Next, the Oil Extreme

Edited January 9, 2006 by X3ebiz

[Genie47]

Question: Overbase Calcium, how much does other engine oil uses and why not as much as Oil Extreme?

 

Search my UOAs and also Ken4's and others from Singapore in BITOG. All are public. Some links here as well. The reason why oil companies don't do it so much is because it is a waste of money. It does not prevent wear. I repeat it is not an antiwear additive.

 

Question: How MUCH overbasing can be done before??? OIL EXTREME has TBN of 320 concentrated in a bottle!

 

Does any car owner need to overbase his oil when he intends to drain it by 10k? Granted that you can go ape over OCIs. Only someone with vehicular suicidal tendencies would go over 15k for an interval but to what avail?

 

I sell OIL EXTREME, as well as REDLINE oils for just S$18 per quart minimum 4, and get to buy the Water wetter for just $13, ARE YOU PAYING TOO MUCH elsewhere?

 

I get my oil at $8/qt. My car has not died and will not die barring a collision with a truck. And even if it does not, 10yrs is all I have with it. Hows that for practicality.

 

I have already sounded my warnings. If anyone wants to make his car into a bigger money pit than it already is. I have nothing to say.

Edited January 9, 2006 by Genie47

[Fluffy]

i see, you sell "oil extreme", nuff said........

[X3ebiz]

"Search my UOAs and also Ken4's and others from Singapore in BITOG. All are public. Some links here as well. The reason why oil companies don't do it so much is because it is a waste of money. It does not prevent wear. I repeat it is not an antiwear additive."

 

This in NOT the ONLY additive in the package that OIL EXTREME has. READ THE TEST to INCREASE your knowledge...only can do you GOOD!

 

BTW, you can get good OIL for as low as $10 per 4 Litres! How good depends on you. Plus your engine won't fail at 10K OCI, as I have seen many use this for the past years!!!!

 

Maybe you are paying too much at $8/quart!

 

TO EACH ITS OWN!

[X3ebiz]

as well as other Oil that is in demand.

 

supply and demand!

 

NOT inclined to any specifics but like to have the proper details out not to mislead!

[Fluffy]

there is no need to shout, bro.

[Genie47]

This in NOT the ONLY additive in the package that OIL EXTREME has. READ THE TEST to INCREASE your knowledge...only can do you GOOD!

 

Then can you name them.

 

BTW, you can get good OIL for as low as $10 per 4 Litres! How good depends on you. Plus your engine won't fail at 10K OCI, as I have seen many use this for the past years

 

Rated SG to SJ? Got API donut symbol? 20W50?

 

BTW, the calcium overbasing chemical used in Oil Extreme is very short-lived. About 3k mileage. That is all. Considering that most motor oils today use calcium (most oils) and magnesium (seen in cxxxxxe) sulfonates as opposed to calcium carbonate in Oil Extreme and that happily saw them to 10k and maybe even more.

 

Then again, it will add more ash content into the oil. Our cars have emissions control equipment. Failing the inspection is not the best interests of anyone.

[X3ebiz]

Extracted from the "REAL ENGINE TEST"

 

"This is where Oil Extreme technology comes into the picture.

[Poortraveller]

every sales man have to protect their product no matter what ... so got to understand his position

[Genie47]

All I read are not numbers but only that it will do you "GOOD".

 

Read my previous post. This will increase the ash content in the oil. Wonder why we have API SL and SM? They both have reduced ash content for the survival of cat converters. Interesting that the test mentioned blow-by. If there is blow-by with that high amount of calcium, I don't think you get a very happy owner with a dead cat converter.

 

Check the UOAs I have. cxxxxxe with a TBN of 10 was reduced to 4 by 9.5k with my driving style. A Corolla with short trips had his reduced to 4 by 5k. Conoco Hydroclear with a TBN of 8 down to 3 by 10k.

 

Well looking at the Singaporean kiasu nature, you think they want oil to be in there for over 10k just because there is calcium overbasing done? We got many individuals who still swear by the 5k interval!

 

I guess with the statement: undisclosed derivative process (it is often better in some instances to keep the a process secret rather than patent it). You can't even tell me what are the other useful antiwear components inside.

 

If you are able to, please post. I'm sure many are waiting to know.

[Yc86]

just saw wheels asia mag n they were advertising X-Rev

 

quote from the magazine:

 

The Proton Wira is filled up with xrev oil and was left to idle for 15 mins. Apparently this is all it takes for the oil to bond its anti-friction formulae to all metal surfaces in the engine. The Xrev is then completely drained off and we took a ride in the car.

 

The Wira's low oil warning check light was an uncomfortable sight. We took the car to expressway speed of up to 90kph and experienced no piston seizure or over-heating.

 

Amazing, after the test run was completed, we checked the dipstick and it clearly showed the absence of any oil in the engine.

 

We were told by Victor, the GM of Xtreme Lubricants lab, that he had done a test run from JB to KL without any oil in his engine. That was a whopping 300+km run!

 

 

so good mehz?

 

only know the Apache Longbow's transmission box can fly for 1 hr dry (i.e without any oil)

 

but after that maybe hav to do major overhaul

Edited January 9, 2006 by Yc86