Gen2 Neutral Newbie June 22, 2006 Share June 22, 2006 (edited) Lukie is using Rupes rite, I find it getting hotter after awhile as compared to Bosch I am not sure did Lukie bought a new machine but the one she was holding is not Rupes, if I still remember correctly it is call Ryobi. For those who have tried both the PC and the Rupes, they prefer Rupes because it is easier to handle. Edited June 22, 2006 by Gen2 ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddriver 4th Gear June 22, 2006 Share June 22, 2006 Oh ya,hers is ryobi, both sound the same Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddriver 4th Gear June 22, 2006 Share June 22, 2006 yes agreed, is more for maintance or applying wax onli Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukie102 Clutched June 22, 2006 Share June 22, 2006 yes, mine ryobi. what's the diff with PC and Rupes? What's the one (your machine) that I tried last time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silgt Neutral Newbie July 1, 2006 Share July 1, 2006 (edited) PC works on a 110V power supply, so you will need a transformer everytime you use it that's a PITA as Black & Decker have no plan to sell this brand outside US (at least one that uses 220~240V), so a step down transformer is necessary ...the vibration from the machine is not really nice to work with. If you need something more powerful I recommand you to get the Rupes DA machine instead, more user friendly. is that your opinion or is that an actual fact? Both these products have it's pros and cons and I have personally used both regularly and they are pretty similar in many ways with the Rupes a slightly more powerful machine but also the noisier one. When I'm in US I almost exclusively used the Porter Cable as it is widely popular there, so popular that they even call all random orbit machine "the PC" (go check out all popular forums like Autopia, MOL etc and you know what I mean...), and I don't find the switch from my Rupes and Dewalt DA to be any bother at all. Don't tell me there are no vibration from a Rupes? it is after all a random orbiter and I have 6 in my current arsenal so I know If one don't mind the transformer I suggest to give the PC a try, it is that good I don't sell them and I have no idea where you can buy them or postage cost for importing them. But if you must get one you connect directly to your wall socket, Rupes a very good choice. Too bad the DeWalt has been discontinued, great (and very loud) little machine. New user should go hunt down the Bosch GEX270AE...simple, economical and effective! Edited July 1, 2006 by Silgt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silgt Neutral Newbie July 1, 2006 Share July 1, 2006 Any idea how much Hypercoat is selling? Can't find this at the stores... they don't bring in the machine bonnets anymore and they run out of stock everywhere while Meguiar's switch their supply from Korea (the better one) to the cheap (and much much inferior) China made one. Compare their Korea v China made wash mitt and microfiber and you'll know...one can last me for ages while the other falls apart after just one single use Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen2 Neutral Newbie July 2, 2006 Share July 2, 2006 Definately both the PC and the Rupes can get the job done equally good but when you come to the handling of the machine, IMO, the Rupes DA machine definately is much smoother to handle although it vibrates too. If you go through the feedback in Autopia, you will also find many of the users complain about the vibration from the PC too and some of them have converted to the cyclo because this result too. As for the noise level, if you are prepared to use a machine to detail the car than expect certain level of noise from the machine. As long as it is not going to tear down the whole building with the noise, I think it is pretty expected . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silgt Neutral Newbie July 2, 2006 Share July 2, 2006 (edited) Re: Cyclo machine Are you saying that Cyclo don't vibrate? it's a big mama and definately more difficult to handle and vibrates more than the Porter Cable. I have used it a couple of time and I find it to be much heavier and more difficult to handle but maybe it's just me as some pro will swear by this machine. To me it is not feasible to use as there are no speed control and the running cost to operate this machine is effectively double since it uses 2x backing plates, 2x pads, 2x bonnets and the backing plate/pads size of 4" is difficult and expensive to source locally. If you go through the feedback in Autopia, you will also find many of the users complain about the vibration from the PC too I think it is safe to say that (1) the more powerful the machine is generally the noisier (2) all random orbit machine vibrates because it's the nature of the machine (3) how suitable or how well each machine is to use depends on each individual preference. I personally find pneumatic tool easy to handle but all my workers still swears by the big DeWalt and Makita rotary machine. That's why we operates and experiment with several different machine at any one time. Afterall, machine is just a tool. How effective each works depends on the skill and comfort level of each user. There really are no "best" machine out there... Edited July 2, 2006 by Silgt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddriver 4th Gear July 2, 2006 Share July 2, 2006 I have not tried both rupes and PC so I can't coment much on them,currently am using Makita and Bosch.I find bosch easy to use for a beginner like me.as for the Rotary,you have mentioned that it will cause swirls and holograms.I have uses it on quite a number of mcfers 's ride including mine.so far has not problem with it. guess it depends on each preference and also the way he handles the machine btw,seems like they are lots of question and answers from autopia,care to share the web Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ah_bon Neutral Newbie July 2, 2006 Share July 2, 2006 I guess, if you have weak hands and you're using max speed on the PC most of the time, you'll probably need to rest your hands for a day or two after a detailing session If PC vibration is a problem, can try changing the counter-weight... should help alleviate the problem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen2 Neutral Newbie July 2, 2006 Share July 2, 2006 Hi bro Silgt, first of all I have to clarify that I did not mention anything that either the Rupes or the Cyclo does not vibrate, to me relatively I find Rupes a smoother machine to handle. If you prefer the PC or the DeWalt and Makita rotary machine, keep using them. As for the cyclo, I am getting good result from it even it is heavier and with no speed control. Even Scottwax from Autopia has just recently switched over to the cyclo and find that it is a better machine as compare to his PC. Like what you said, there is no "best" machine out there but rather which you feel more comfortable it. So we are simply sharing our experience here and let the fellow members decide what they want . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen2 Neutral Newbie July 2, 2006 Share July 2, 2006 btw,seems like they are lots of question and answers from autopia,care to share the web Here's the web site bro, www.autopia.org Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silgt Neutral Newbie July 2, 2006 Share July 2, 2006 (edited) Hi Gen2, understand your reply and you do know I do like the Rupes as well, just that I won't go knocking PC because you feel it vibrates (?) or not as smooth. It's all relative and depends on the speed and ways of handling the machine. To each it's own every user got it's preference, just like you and I does. ...the vibration from the PC is not really nice to work with. If you need something more powerful I recommand you to get the Rupes DA machine instead, more user friendly. Even Scottwax from Autopia has just recently switched over to the cyclo and find that it is a better machine as compare to his PC Do you always use whatever Scottwax uses? For every Scottwax out there, there are perhaps tens or hundreds who will swear by their individual preferred machines. Scottwax is one of the many pros out there and may or may not endorse certain products, either directly or indirectly. He also got his individual process of detailing which may differes from you and me. Bottomline is whatever Scottwax uses is merely his choice and should not be used as a benchmark or to gauge if a product is good or not The Scottwax from MOL raves about Meguiar's products but his tones differs when he post at Autopia. I'm sure my guys detail more cars than Scottwax does and they each have individual preference for different machines, which is not what I have but I always buy them the machines that they feel most comfortable using. Does that the machine they prefered is better? NO! If you prefer the PC or the DeWalt and Makita rotary machine, keep using them. As for the cyclo, I am getting good result from it even it is heavier and with no speed control. Good for you, it's a good machine. I know someone who sells them and he pass one for me to try sometime back. Personally it's not my taste as I don't have a strong arm to lug the machine all day It's especially popular with those in industry who needs to polish large surface area and it's now beginning to trickle down to consumer market. The design as you know is also more professional, it's a machine you could use for the next 20 years...at least! Like what you said, there is no "best" machine out there but rather which you feel more comfortable it. So we are simply sharing our experience here and let the fellow members decide what they want yeah yeah just sharing lah...best judge is still each individual user. As with all tools & machines, best is to get one on your hand and feel the weight/balance/operations. Me and perhaps Gen2 can help out in this respect ** BTW. I must state clearly here that I don't sell any of the machines mentioned above, nor any other brands of machines in general so there's no conflict of interest in what's been discussed here! Just merely my opinion...sp no flaming please ** Edited July 2, 2006 by Silgt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen2 Neutral Newbie July 3, 2006 Share July 3, 2006 (edited) ... just that I won't go knocking PC because you feel it vibrates (?) or not as smooth. I think you will need to read throught the postings carefully, I did not particularly pick the PC and talk about it, rather someone asked about the PC and I gave my personal preference between Rupes and the PC. I definately will not call that as knocking. Do you always use whatever Scottwax uses? In fact I started using the cyclo before Scottwax started using it but given the fact that he is a very well respected detailer in Autopia, I think he opinions does worth to consider. I, myself also happened to pick up quite a bit of detailing tips from him too which I find very helpful . The Scottwax from MOL raves about Meguiar's products but his tones differs when he post at Autopia. Scottwax also sing prasies for Meguiar's products in Autopia and I am surprised you miss that out , his favourite polish from Meguiar is #83 and #80 and the wax he always go for is #16. Like wat bro Silgt suggested, whoever like to have a feel of the machine, can arrange for a meetup session . Edited July 3, 2006 by Gen2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silgt Neutral Newbie July 3, 2006 Share July 3, 2006 Gen2, long time no meet up liao. Maybe next time show me your Cyclo again, see if the design has changed at all. I last used them a couple of years back and I don't rate it as my fav tool or one that I will consider using but hey you never know... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen2 Neutral Newbie July 3, 2006 Share July 3, 2006 Sure bro, no problem . The design for the cyclo has not changed at all, still the same old heavy machine . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tehtarik69 Neutral Newbie July 18, 2006 Share July 18, 2006 RE: Bosch GEX 270AE Does anyone know where to find the replacement for the sanding plate? I am looking for the white foam backing with the velcro as I have melted part of mine. Only was able to find the blue and black ones which are not meant for paintwork. Thanks in advance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tehtarik69 Neutral Newbie July 19, 2006 Share July 19, 2006 Any one can help????? ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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