Hamburger Hypersonic October 19, 2018 Share October 19, 2018 What's your thought behind that habit or culture? Will you also want to clear your table at a restaurant? its probably the very same reason why the angmo would want to clear their own table, or why the japs do not smoke while walking on the street. i would rather question what is so hard about clearing my own tray where its only a matter of lifting my fingers. If there is a word for my thought, its humility. If there is a return tray system made available at a restaurant, yes, i probably would clear my own table. i do enjoy doing such task together with my children. ↡ Advertisement 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerNg_185295 6th Gear October 19, 2018 Share October 19, 2018 Frankly speaking, we do not know this until Seetoh expose them. That Minister really cannot make it. Can't help if you have incompetent imbeciles managing it.. Cannot say like that. Its not the govt is weak. It is just that they see money as more important than anything else. When a govt puts economic benefits above all else , you get this type of shit exposed. Good job to Seetoh. When government get in the way, people will find way to lobby the government. Take government as a big excuse at the expense of people.To me this shows the government is weak. Cannot make firm ground/stand to prevent such things from happening. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strat 6th Gear October 19, 2018 Share October 19, 2018 I'll gladly pay $0.20 for every tray IF they can assure me all the aunties and uncle table wipers remain gainfully employed and having an lighter work load. The sad reality is that once the foodcourt/hawker centre operators find that they have less need for these workers, they will let them go in a jiffy. Hard truths. They should implement pay directly to the auntie and uncle table wipers as additional incentives... payment mode can via e-payment through QR code or something like that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kb27 Supersonic October 19, 2018 Share October 19, 2018 Ban all trays in hawker! Just use hand to carry the bowl/plate? Make more trips? why does it begin to sound like?... supermarkets don't hand out plastic bags, it's bad for the environment. oh... but you can sell them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happily1986 5th Gear October 19, 2018 Share October 19, 2018 Based on my understanding, stalls in existing NEA controlled hawker centres are at subsidized rates as it is meant as a means for low income family to make a living. However, many have abused this system by sub-renting the same stall to earn extra income. Having this SEHC allows the authority to circumvent this problem as it is on a different platform as the public hawker centres. By having a high rental fee and a ceiling on affordable food prices, this may prevent stall owners from sub-renting out their stalls but to run the stalls themselves. Are you joking? I believe you are because it is Friday today and the weekend is here. Seriously? Problem statement: People sublet their subsidised stalls. And you think that imposing high rental rates and/or offloading management of Hawker Centres to Super Enterprising sorry i meant Social Enterprises is the solution to this problem? Why not just ban subletting altogether? Case solved! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kklee 6th Gear October 19, 2018 Share October 19, 2018 (edited) I thought they are social enterprises, not for profit? I thank you for the posting which made me go and find out what are social enterprises. ------------------------------------------ Excerpt from the diagram ..... You are a social enterprise if you - Generate majority of revenue from provision of goods & service - A clear business plan to achieve financial sustainability & profitability - Management or founder has a claer intention to make social goal(s) the core objective(s) of the business Source - https://www.raise.sg/social-enterprises/social-enterprises-menu/be-a-member.html ------------------------------------------ Excerpt - Starting a social enterprise Raise defines Social Enterprises (SEs) as business entities set up with clear social goals; and where there is clear management intent and resources allocated to fulfil their social objectives. Social entrepreneurship in Singapore is still in its early days.Social enterprises provide business solutions to address unmet and emerging social needs and gaps. They have the potential to make a difference, create value and solve social challenges in sustainable ways. SEs have grown to become part of a broader system to address social needs. In an emerging trend, they also fulfil the aspirations of a new generation of Singaporeans who are passionate to do good through means other than charities, and as a part of their daily lives. Source - https://www.raise.sg/social-enterprises/social-enterprises-menu/starting-a-social-enterprise.html like eating at fast food restaurant, i would still clear my own table at a HC as i believe it would lighten the job of the cleaners. They still need to wipe the table though. But looking at the current trend of customers at HC, i am probably the 10% or less doing so. A long time ago at fastfood places, when I see cleaners, I may help to clear. Now, at fastfood places, I see less cleaners. Edited October 19, 2018 by Kklee 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DACH Supersonic October 19, 2018 Share October 19, 2018 I thank you for the posting which made me go and find out what are social enterprises. ------------------------------------------ Excerpt from the diagram ..... You are a social enterprise if you - Generate majority of revenue from provision of goods & service - A clear business plan to achieve financial sustainability & profitability - Management or founder has a claer intention to make social goal(s) the core objective(s) of the business Source - https://www.raise.sg/social-enterprises/social-enterprises-menu/be-a-member.html ------------------------------------------ Excerpt - Starting a social enterprise Raise defines Social Enterprises (SEs) as business entities set up with clear social goals; and where there is clear management intent and resources allocated to fulfil their social objectives. Social entrepreneurship in Singapore is still in its early days.Social enterprises provide business solutions to address unmet and emerging social needs and gaps. They have the potential to make a difference, create value and solve social challenges in sustainable ways. SEs have grown to become part of a broader system to address social needs. In an emerging trend, they also fulfil the aspirations of a new generation of Singaporeans who are passionate to do good through means other than charities, and as a part of their daily lives. Source - https://www.raise.sg/social-enterprises/social-enterprises-menu/starting-a-social-enterprise.html A long time ago at fastfood places, when I see cleaners, I may help to clear. Now, at fastfood places, I see less cleaners. But the problem is also less and less people wants to be cleaners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodooman Supersonic October 19, 2018 Share October 19, 2018 I thank you for the posting which made me go and find out what are social enterprises. ------------------------------------------ Excerpt from the diagram ..... You are a social enterprise if you - Generate majority of revenue from provision of goods & service - A clear business plan to achieve financial sustainability & profitability - Management or founder has a claer intention to make social goal(s) the core objective(s) of the business Source - https://www.raise.sg/social-enterprises/social-enterprises-menu/be-a-member.html ------------------------------------------ Excerpt - Starting a social enterprise Raise defines Social Enterprises (SEs) as business entities set up with clear social goals; and where there is clear management intent and resources allocated to fulfil their social objectives. Social entrepreneurship in Singapore is still in its early days.Social enterprises provide business solutions to address unmet and emerging social needs and gaps. They have the potential to make a difference, create value and solve social challenges in sustainable ways. SEs have grown to become part of a broader system to address social needs. In an emerging trend, they also fulfil the aspirations of a new generation of Singaporeans who are passionate to do good through means other than charities, and as a part of their daily lives. Source - https://www.raise.sg/social-enterprises/social-enterprises-menu/starting-a-social-enterprise.html A long time ago at fastfood places, when I see cleaners, I may help to clear. Now, at fastfood places, I see less cleaners. Thanks for sharing but i read that these are supposed to be not for profit social enterprises or cooperatives that will manage the hawker centres to keep cost low. Then I read that most of the works are outsourced to third parties and sometimes related parties. So we are back to square one. https://mothership.sg/2018/09/hawker-centres-private-social-enterprise/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusje Supersonic October 19, 2018 Share October 19, 2018 But the problem is also less and less people wants to be cleaners. Cleaner wage here considered living wage? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DACH Supersonic October 19, 2018 Share October 19, 2018 Cleaner wage here considered living wage? Ask your million salaried out of touch minister this question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusje Supersonic October 19, 2018 Share October 19, 2018 Ask your million salaried out of touch minister this question. I'm asking you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DACH Supersonic October 19, 2018 Share October 19, 2018 I'm asking you. No. But no point complaining to me. Just vote wisely during GE. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vratenza Supersonic October 20, 2018 Share October 20, 2018 Are there businesses who abuse the "social enterprise" label as a means to garner publicity and charity sales. For example, claims that the handcrafted product they sold are sourced from 3rd world countries impoverished villages and a portion of the profit goes back to these villagers....who to determine how much of the profit sharing is considered "social enterprise"? I thank you for the posting which made me go and find out what are social enterprises. ------------------------------------------ Excerpt from the diagram ..... You are a social enterprise if you - Generate majority of revenue from provision of goods & service - A clear business plan to achieve financial sustainability & profitability - Management or founder has a claer intention to make social goal(s) the core objective(s) of the business Source - https://www.raise.sg/social-enterprises/social-enterprises-menu/be-a-member.html ------------------------------------------ Excerpt - Starting a social enterprise Raise defines Social Enterprises (SEs) as business entities set up with clear social goals; and where there is clear management intent and resources allocated to fulfil their social objectives. Social entrepreneurship in Singapore is still in its early days.Social enterprises provide business solutions to address unmet and emerging social needs and gaps. They have the potential to make a difference, create value and solve social challenges in sustainable ways. SEs have grown to become part of a broader system to address social needs. In an emerging trend, they also fulfil the aspirations of a new generation of Singaporeans who are passionate to do good through means other than charities, and as a part of their daily lives. Source - https://www.raise.sg/social-enterprises/social-enterprises-menu/starting-a-social-enterprise.html A long time ago at fastfood places, when I see cleaners, I may help to clear. Now, at fastfood places, I see less cleaners. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kklee 6th Gear October 20, 2018 Share October 20, 2018 (edited) Are there businesses who abuse the "social enterprise" label as a means to garner publicity and charity sales. For example, claims that the handcrafted product they sold are sourced from 3rd world countries impoverished villages and a portion of the profit goes back to these villagers....who to determine how much of the profit sharing is considered "social enterprise"? No idea. Anyway, some interesting reads of examples in the URLbelow. Read thinking of $ and terms like "profitability". https://www.raise.sg/social-enterprises/social-enterprises-menu/stories.html Edited October 20, 2018 by Kklee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kklee 6th Gear October 20, 2018 Share October 20, 2018 Thanks for sharing but i read that these are supposed to be not for profit social enterprises or cooperatives that will manage the hawker centres to keep cost low. Then I read that most of the works are outsourced to third parties and sometimes related parties. So we are back to square one. https://mothership.sg/2018/09/hawker-centres-private-social-enterprise/ My reads is that social enterprises are business entities. Businesses are commercial. I don't know how to related business are not for profit. IMHO, knowledge, to the extend of expertise would be required for some of the outsourcing to achieve a purpose like cost reduction. If outsourcing is for the purpose of solving an issue that one has little or no knowledge, then likely there will be more cost incurred. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kklee 6th Gear October 20, 2018 Share October 20, 2018 But the problem is also less and less people wants to be cleaners. AFAIK, I never come across any article of the lack of cleaners for fast food places. I only come across for hawker centres, can't recall for food court. Allow me to rant. IMHO. a) cost - employ less cleaner when more is needed b) cost - lack of desire to automate c) seating arrangement that maximizes seating capacity I just want to cite an example. there is a food court at a MALL east part of Seng Kang. While they have trolleys to help the cleaners, the aisle are very narrow, The cleaners have to walk here and there. Maybe we have to turn back the clock to see how it worked before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanoyip Turbocharged October 20, 2018 Share October 20, 2018 why does it begin to sound like?... supermarkets don't hand out plastic bags, it's bad for the environment. oh... but you can sell them. Yea that's what's happening in Aust now, no single use bags but selling recycling bags for 15c. I don't mind such movement. Just like the tray fiasco, I don't mind not taking a tray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DACH Supersonic October 20, 2018 Share October 20, 2018 Yea that's what's happening in Aust now, no single use bags but selling recycling bags for 15c. I don't mind such movement. Just like the tray fiasco, I don't mind not taking a tray Or bring their own trolleys. Good for those driving. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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